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Old 06-26-2013, 07:16 AM  
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SCOTUS Gay Marriage Opinions

DOMA - Federal law which allows one state to refuse to recognize a marriage from another state, and which federally bans gay marriage.

Section 3 of DOMA is unconstitutional. The rest of DOMA still remains. This means that federal law must recognize same-sex marriage, but since Section 2 remains standing, states are still free to refuse to recognize a marriage from another state. That will likely be challenged in a future court case.

5-4 decision, Kennedy and the 4 liberals. The conservatives are split with 3 dissents.


Prop 8 - California Gay Marriage ban.

The 9th circuit appeal is dismissed due to lack of standing. We now know definitively that if the state government refuses to defend a state proposition, the prop sponsers can still go to court, but they can not appeal if they lose. The decision by the 9th circuit is also gone. Judge Vaughn Walker's ruling stands, and is final. Gay Marriage is legal in CA.

5-4 decision, Roberts, Scalia, and 3 of the liberals. Kennedy, Alito, Thomas, and Sotomayor would have found standing and proceeded to the merits. The question on whether a fundamental right to gay marriage exists countrywide will have to wait for another day.

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Old 06-26-2013, 10:37 AM   #61
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You're not answering the question. If it remains banned, how will that affect my marriage? It won't. So why should I give a rat's ass if they get it legalized? Out of the goodness of my heart? It doesn't benefit me.
Well we certainly know you have no interest in the suffering or effects of laws on others that are more than 3" from your own interests.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:37 AM   #62
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You're not answering the question. If it remains banned, how will that affect my marriage? It won't. So why should I give a rat's ass if they get it legalized? Out of the goodness of my heart? It doesn't benefit me.
No one cares if you care. Of course, we know that you hate gays, so that's just a little bonus for people who like to see the 'right' thing happen, even if it doesn't directly benefit them.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:39 AM   #63
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You're not answering the question. If it remains banned, how will that affect my marriage? It won't. So why should I give a rat's ass if they get it legalized? Out of the goodness of my heart? It doesn't benefit me.
Pretty much, but you can be a selfish prick all you want. Personally I think it's a good thing to know that there is less unequal treatment for fellow citizens today than there was yesterday.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:41 AM   #64
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No one cares if you care. Of course, we know that you hate gays, so that's just a little bonus for people who like to see the 'right' thing happen, even if it doesn't directly benefit them.
Nobody was talking to you.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:48 AM   #65
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I agree with alnorth that section four isn't necessary, but I still think it's powerful and a message to those states with marriage bans in place. Once again from the end of the opinion (emphasis mine):

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The federal statute is invalid, for no legitimate purpose overcomes the purpose and effect to disparage and to injure those whom the State, by its marriage laws, sought to protect in personhood and dignity. By seeking to displace this protection and treating those persons as living in marriages less respected than others, the federal statute is in violation of the Fifth Amendment.
Even under rational basis review, those laws defining marriage as between a man and a woman likely won't stand under this court.

Now time to dig into the dissents to see if anyone found a constitutionally proper purpose for the discrimination.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:51 AM   #66
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You're not answering the question. If it remains banned, how will that affect my marriage? It won't. So why should I give a rat's ass if they get it legalized? Out of the goodness of my heart? It doesn't benefit me.
And this, my good men, is what has made America so great. The willingness to shun anything that doesn't have a direct impact on you, followed by the ability to squeal like the fat guy on Deliverance when it does and nobody comes to your aid.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:52 AM   #67
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In Scalia's dissent, he said that the majority is hungry to rule on gay marriage, which might be a clue on what was discussed in conference for the prop 8 case.
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:01 AM   #68
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You're not answering the question. If it remains banned, how will that affect my marriage? It won't. So why should I give a rat's ass if they get it legalized? Out of the goodness of my heart? It doesn't benefit me.
I like to browse these threads occasionally, just to update my list of confirmed CP shitheads. Jesus Christ, this guy.
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:03 AM   #69
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:12 AM   #70
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In Scalia's dissent, he said that the majority is hungry to rule on gay marriage, which might be a clue on what was discussed in conference for the prop 8 case.
Agreed. Both are invitations for better cases that don't have any arguable standing problems.
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:16 AM   #71
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From Judge Roberts:

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At least without some more convincing evidence that the Act’s principal purpose was to codify malice, and that it furthered no legitimate government interests, I would not tar the political branches with the brush of bigotry.
Interesting in context with the voting rights opinion. He seems reluctant to believe that government would ever do something for a discriminatory purpose from defining marriage to restricting the ability to vote. In this day and age, I'm not sure if the country at large shares this idealistic view.
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:23 AM   #72
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:24 AM   #73
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You're not answering the question. If it remains banned, how will that affect my marriage? It won't. So why should I give a rat's ass if they get it legalized? Out of the goodness of my heart? It doesn't benefit me.
Wow. What a selfish piece of shit you are. Makes me question if there was any goodness in your heart to begin with...
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:39 AM   #74
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Gays not marrying will not impact any straight person's marriage in any way ....
You're such an idiot.
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:45 AM   #75
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You're not answering the question. If it remains banned, how will that affect my marriage? It won't. So why should I give a rat's ass if they get it legalized? Out of the goodness of my heart? It doesn't benefit me.

If it doesn't affect you either way, why care if it doesn't remain banned.


As a side note, there are many reasons to like this SCOTUS ruling and while the fact that you vehemently hate it is low on the list, I will say it is on the list.
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