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Old 06-27-2013, 12:00 PM  
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Congressional R's manufactured the IRS controversy

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The outburst of fauxtrage that ensued when the IRS dumbassery was revealed is now coming back to bite hard on the hindquarters of the people who thought to ride it to glory. This is particularly true of Congressman Darrell Issa, who now stands revealed as an even bigger weasel than we thought he was.

The Treasury inspector general (IG) whose report helped drive the IRS targeting controversy says it limited its examination to conservative groups because of a request from House Republicans. A spokesman for Russell George, Treasury's inspector general for tax administration, said they were asked by House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) "to narrowly focus on Tea Party organizations." The inspector general's audit found that groups seeking tax-exempt status with "Tea Party" and "patriots" in their name did receive extra attention from the IRS, with some facing years of delay and inappropriate questions from the agency. But top congressional Democrats have wielded new information from the IRS this week that liberal groups were also flagged for extra attention on the sorts of "be on the lookout" lists (BOLOs) that also tripped up conservative groups. The spokesman for the Treasury inspector general noted their audit acknowledged there were other watch lists. But the spokesman added: "We did not review the use, disposition, purpose or content of the other BOLOs. That was outside the scope of our audit."

So, after all that fuss and bother, and making poor Peggy Noonan think through a Grey Goose haze for two consecutive weeks, it turns out that the only people who "targeted" only conservative groups in this whole affair were...congressional Republicans.

It really shouldn't be this easy to paralyze the government, even for a while. Say goodnight, Darrell.
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politic...scandal-062713
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Old 06-27-2013, 03:50 PM   #16
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Libs/dems are getting more and more insane trying to defend their corrupt party/pres. I like how the Esquire author cherry picked info to try to blame it on someone else and the blind lib sheep bought it hook, line, and sinker.
That's pretty rich coming from a birther.
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Old 06-27-2013, 04:00 PM   #17
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Posted this in the other thread...

IRS audit confirms that conservatives were targeted, not liberals.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ot-liberals-w/
How is this relevant to the OP?
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Old 06-27-2013, 04:08 PM   #18
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That's pretty rich coming from a birther.
Well, it's true the author in the OP cherry picked info without including other info that has been pointed out several times in this thread. Keep using the birther remark please. I understand it's part of Alinsky to try to keep me quiet but it doesn't work on me as Cosmotard #20,002 found out.

I welcome it because with all the corruption coming from the dems/libs, it opens up more issues what the dems/libs have been corrupt about.

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Old 06-27-2013, 06:46 PM   #19
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Embarrassing thread, Pittsie. I bet you thought you were really on to something.

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Old 06-27-2013, 07:51 PM   #20
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Embarrassing thread, Pittsie. I bet you thought you were really on to something.

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Old 06-28-2013, 08:45 AM   #22
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Old 06-28-2013, 08:52 AM   #23
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This is totaly wrong.

Everyone KNOWS George Bush is behind it.
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:22 AM   #27
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That video was filled with bologna. Groups of all bents receive some attention. There was another level of attention paid to certain types of conservative groups that went beyond that generic level of attention. There's no doubt that conservative groups were targeted more intently then progressive groups. The only question is who made that decision and what was their motive.

And just because a bureaucratic administrator is appointed by a Republican doesn't mean he's a conservative. Of course Republicans would love to be able to only appoint like-minded people when they get the opportunity, but to fill the thousands of jobs throughout the bureaucracy with people who have enough experience to do the job, you often have to resort to appointing people from the overwhelmingly liberal pool of career bureaucrats.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Leaders of progressive groups say they, too, faced long delays in getting the Internal Revenue Service to approve their applications for tax-exempt status but were not subjected to the same level of scrutiny that tea party groups complained about.
Several progressive groups said it took more than a year for the IRS to approve their status while others are still waiting as IRS agents press for details about their activities. The delays have made it difficult for the groups to raise money — just as it has for tea party groups that were singled out for extra scrutiny.
But even with the delays, leaders of some progressive groups said they didn't feel like they were being targeted.
"This is kind of what you expect. You expect it to take a year or more to get your status because that's just what the IRS goes through to do it," said Maryann Martindale, executive director of Alliance for a Better Utah, a small non-profit that advocates for progressive causes. "So I don't know that we feel particularly targeted."
The IRS has been under siege since the agency revealed last month that agents had improperly targeted tea party and other conservative groups for additional, often burdensome scrutiny when they applied for tax-exempt status during the 2010 and 2012 elections.
This week, the IRS released documents showing that progressive and liberal groups may have been singled out as well.
On Wednesday, Nina Olson, the National Taxpayer Advocate, issued a report saying the IRS long has resisted efforts by her office to help groups seeking tax-exempt status, creating a culture that enabled agents to improperly target such organizations. The IRS responded by promising to work more closely with Olson's office.
J. Russell George, the agency's inspector general, released a widely-read report on the targeting of conservative groups last month. A day later President Barack Obama forced acting IRS Commissioner Steven Miller to resign.
George is now coming under fire from congressional Democrats because his report made no mention of progressive groups being targeted.
"There is increasing evidence that the May 14, 2013, audit was fundamentally flawed and that your handling of it has failed to meet the necessary test of objectivity and forthrightness," Rep. Sander Levin of Michigan, the top Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee, wrote in a letter to George on Wednesday.
Karen Kraushaar, a spokeswoman for the inspector general, defended the audit.
The inspector general "was asked to look at the treatment of organizations known to be affiliated with the tea party in its review, and was asked to audit the way those organizations were being treated when they applied for tax-exempt status," Kraushaar said.
In a later interview, she said the audit focused on the criteria the IRS used to choose all applicants to examine for possible political activity — which could affect their eligibility for tax-exempt status.
"Our audit found tea party organizations were being selected out for scrutiny," she said.
George's audit was requested by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the House oversight committee, and Rep Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, a senior member of the committee.
The IRS was screening the groups' applications because agents were trying to determine their level of political activity. IRS regulations say tax-exempt social welfare organizations may engage in some political activity but the activity may not be their primary mission.
To help flag groups for additional scrutiny, agents in a Cincinnati office developed lists of terms to look for in applications. These "be on the look-out" lists were commonly called BOLOs.

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George's audit discovered a list from August 2010 that included the terms "Tea Party," ''Patriots" and "9/12 Project." The report said IRS agents inappropriately asked these conservative groups to identify their donors, their political affiliations and their positions on political issues, resulting in delays averaging nearing two years for applications to be processed.
Leaders of progressive groups said they, too, were asked detailed questions about their activities, which took time and resources to answer. But, several leaders said, they were not asked the inappropriate questions listed in the inspector general's report.
On Monday, Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee released 15 BOLO lists, which changed over time and were dated between August 2010 and April 2013. The lists included the terms "Progressive," ''Medical Marijuana," ''Occupied Territory Advocacy," ''Healthcare legislation," ''Newspaper Entities" and "Paying National Debt."
The revelation that such a wide array of groups may have received extra scrutiny is threatening to undercut the narrative of some Republican lawmakers that the IRS targeted enemies of the president during last year's presidential election.
Kraushaar, however, noted that the term "tea party" included instructions to forward such cases to other agents for additional review. There were no such instructions accompanying the term "Progressive," she said.
"So what if anything was done with this progressive BOLO, I don't know. We don't know that," Kraushaar said.
The new acting commissioner of the IRS, Danny Werfel, said he has ordered agents to stop using all BOLO lists.
James Salt, executive director of the liberal group, Catholics United, said it took a total of seven years for his group to get tax-exempt status under section 501 (c) (3) of the tax code. The designation is more valuable than the one for social welfare groups because donations to these groups are tax-deductible. However, there are greater restrictions on political activity.
Salt said Catholics United first applied in 2005 but eventually withdrew its application after an extensive back-and-forth with the IRS. The group applied again in April 2010 and was approved in July 2011, he said.
Salt said the most onerous question from the IRS was for copies of all information the group planned to disseminate to the public.
"It's almost impossible to know what we will do," Salt said. "It didn't make any sense. How can we answer that?"
One IRS agent also asked some "weird" questions, he said.
"The nature of her questions were, questioning why Catholics would care about immigration and why Catholics would care about supporting the rights of immigrants," Salt said. "It almost seemed like there was suspicion that promoting Catholic social teaching as it relates to immigration reform was somehow suspect."
Sean Soendker Nicholson, executive director of Progress Missouri, said it took about 14 months for the IRS to approve his group's tax-exempt status, in December 2012. He said the IRS asked a lot of questions about the group's activities.
"It took a long time. We didn't think much of it," Nicholson said. "What I thought at the time was, there's a lot of new groups that have popped up in the election cycle and it's a good thing the IRS is scrutinizing these applications."


At best this seems to be more of a CYA after the fact PR campaign but, if the IRS was Improperly targeting “Progressive” groups it is also an abuse of power and deserves anger and scorn from the left just like they have been receiving it from the Right.

Actually both sides should be outraged when this sort of bullying occurs regardless of if you like the targeted organizations or not. Our entire legal system is “supposed” to operate under the premise that one is innocent until proven guilty. That is just not how the IRS rolls.
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Old 06-28-2013, 11:05 AM   #29
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Yes, but applying to be a tax exempt organizations isn't a criminal trial. How can you have a problem with the idea that if you don't want to pay taxes on your income you bear the burden of showing that you qualify instead of the other way around?
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Old 06-28-2013, 11:21 AM   #30
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For those that find that reading stuff is hard...
Maybe you should use your own advise.

From post #7 in this thread:

Treasury: IRS targeted 292 Tea Party groups, just 6 progressive groups

http://washingtonexaminer.com/treasu...rticle/2532456

I don't think anyone is arguing that some progressive groups were targeted but it's a complete gross exaggeration by the left on how much.

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