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Old 06-29-2013, 06:23 PM  
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Spinoff of the woman getting beaten in her home. That thread got me thinking, and I wondered what everyone had to protect their loved ones/family. I have an ADT security system with motion detectors, I also have two pitbulls, both the wife and I have numerous firearms and have taken firearm training.

That thread really made me more content paying $50 a month for 24/7 monitoring/protection of my family and home.
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Old 06-30-2013, 01:12 PM   #106
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Do you have to pay a monthly cell bill on the system?
No that's included in the monitoring for 24.95 a month... You can disable the cell monitoring if and hook it to a landline and have it call YOUR phone if you want... there is NO contract and NO forced home monitoring... You can turn it off a month and restart as you please.
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Old 06-30-2013, 02:19 PM   #107
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Old 06-30-2013, 02:23 PM   #108
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Old 06-30-2013, 02:44 PM   #109
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To be clear, I'm not talking about owning a gun in general (and keeping it in a garage, etc.). If you want to own guns for hunting, fun, or in case of some sort of all-out war, more power to you.

I'm specifically talking about having one in the house for self-defense, and I'd think most people don't really enjoy shooting one in their house (except possibly frazod).
I did not mean to infer enjoyment from shooting in your home. I meant the joy of taking the gun to the range (or country as I prefer) and practicing. Or maybe even competitions. Just because a firearm might be intended for home defense does not mean it has to just sit in the night stand until a home defense situation occurs.
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:06 PM   #110
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I'm kind of anti-home-security, personally. I know that's a weird thing to say, but I've always found it irritating that videos like the one you're referencing scare people to death when the fact of the matter is that you're safer in your home today that people have been at pretty much any point in history.

Scary shit happens in the world, but that doesn't mean I'm going to live my life scared.

EDIT: Just for fun, here's a chart I put this together a while back when discussing the Sandy Hook incident with some family members.

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Sometimes I think I'm a number monkey nerd, but I've never compiled a chart of 20 years of data to settle a family discussion.

Anyway, DaFace, I don't have a gun in the house, but always intended to. I think in my house I have a pretty significant tactical advantage if I have to defend myself. That being said, if I had my shotgun inside, it'd be pretty tough for anybody to get the best of me in my house as long as I'm there.

I understand your statistical approach. And for the most part, I agree. That's why I haven't made it a priority to get my shotgun inside. Scott is a pretty small town. For the most part, it is pretty safe.

That being said, wife was one of those statistics on your chart when we were in college. She got her apartment broken into while she was staying with me. It sucked bawls. She was freaked out. I was furious. I think I know who did it and it took a LOT of restraint not to kick down the door and start curb stomping ****ers. It was pretty hard on her. To me, it was just stuff. I'm not scared, but she was. What scared me was if she'd have been in there and if she had gotten hurt or raped. That was a pretty significant event in our lives, even though from a dollars perspective, it was virtually nothing.

I can certainly understand people doing whatever they can to avoid being in danger, even if the probability is fairly low.
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:26 PM   #111
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You might want to add a shotgun to your home defense plan.

Reminds me of a youtube video on home defense called Double Barreled Shotgun VS. AR-15 by this guy named hickok45. He has lots of gun videos I'm sure some of you are familiar with this man's work, he is fun to watch.

Check out this video at the 30 second mark, he shoots at a target 10 feet away and missed, lol. But the point is just because you have a shotgun at close range doesn't mean you can't miss.

Long story short in the video the AR-15 wins the contest hands down.


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Old 06-30-2013, 03:42 PM   #112
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I can certainly understand people doing whatever they can to avoid being in danger, even if the probability is fairly low.
Yeah, but that's where the issue lies as I see it - you're far more likely to shoot someone on accident (or on purpose in some case) than you are to ever actually have to defend yourself. Even in cases where it does happen like did with your wife, a vast majority of burglaries happen when no one is home, so the gun wouldn't have made a difference anyway.

Again, I don't fault people for wanting the sense of security that having a gun around brings, but you're fooling yourself if you think you're substantively safer by having one.
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:45 PM   #113
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GRANDVIEW, Mo. - Police are looking for three men who reportedly tortured four Grandview residents for more than three hours early Sunday morning.
Police said the men broke into a home in the 11800 block of Delmar at 2 a.m. Sunday. One woman was raped and three men were scalded with hot grease, according to Grandview Police.
Police said one of the men also got an ankle injury after a suspect assaulted him with a power tool.
Police received a 911 call at 5:30 a.m., when one of the victims was able to run to a neighbor’s home to call police. All four victims were taken to an area hospital for treatment. None of them injuries were life threatening.
Police said the suspects fled after stealing a vehicle. Kansas City, Mo., police recovered that car, but there was no sign of the suspects.
Anyone with information regarding the suspects or the crime is urged to contact the TIPS hotline at 816-474-TIPS.


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Old 06-30-2013, 03:47 PM   #114
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(Personal opinion here - not stats.) The other issue I see is that most burglaries are intended to steal shit, not to kill people. While some burglars may carry a weapon in case they end up having to confront people, their primary intent is to steal things of value. Even when confronted, most aren't going to immediately want to kill someone if they don't have to. They'll make threats, they'll point a gun at you, but they're not going to pull a trigger unless they're really feeling threatened. And a homeowner pointing a gun at someone is decidedly threatening.

Will you get to them first? Maybe. But there's a good chance shots wouldn't have been fired in the first place had the homeowner not gone in guns blazing.
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:00 PM   #115
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(Personal opinion here - not stats.) The other issue I see is that most burglaries are intended to steal shit, not to kill people. While some burglars may carry a weapon in case they end up having to confront people, their primary intent is to steal things of value. Even when confronted, most aren't going to immediately want to kill someone if they don't have to. They'll make threats, they'll point a gun at you, but they're not going to pull a trigger unless they're really feeling threatened. And a homeowner pointing a gun at someone is decidedly threatening.

Will you get to them first? Maybe. But there's a good chance shots wouldn't have been fired in the first place had the homeowner not gone in guns blazing.
How bout just give the homeowner a rape whistle?
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:02 PM   #116
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GRANDVIEW, Mo. - Police are looking for three men who reportedly tortured four Grandview residents for more than three hours early Sunday morning.
Police said the men broke into a home in the 11800 block of Delmar at 2 a.m. Sunday. One woman was raped and three men were scalded with hot grease, according to Grandview Police.
Police said one of the men also got an ankle injury after a suspect assaulted him with a power tool.
Police received a 911 call at 5:30 a.m., when one of the victims was able to run to a neighbor’s home to call police. All four victims were taken to an area hospital for treatment. None of them injuries were life threatening.
Police said the suspects fled after stealing a vehicle. Kansas City, Mo., police recovered that car, but there was no sign of the suspects.
Anyone with information regarding the suspects or the crime is urged to contact the TIPS hotline at 816-474-TIPS.


Read more: http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/crime/p...#ixzz2XjqRN1vp
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Actually, whenever I read a story like that, I can't help but think there's more to it than what's being told. If someone is coming into your house to steal shit, why would they waste their time torturing and raping? This seems more like some sort of "payback" type of thing. I find it hard to believe shit like that just randomly happens.
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GRANDVIEW, Mo. - Police are looking for three men who reportedly tortured four Grandview residents for more than three hours early Sunday morning.
Police said the men broke into a home in the 11800 block of Delmar at 2 a.m. Sunday. One woman was raped and three men were scalded with hot grease, according to Grandview Police.
Police said one of the men also got an ankle injury after a suspect assaulted him with a power tool.
Police received a 911 call at 5:30 a.m., when one of the victims was able to run to a neighbor’s home to call police. All four victims were taken to an area hospital for treatment. None of them injuries were life threatening.
Police said the suspects fled after stealing a vehicle. Kansas City, Mo., police recovered that car, but there was no sign of the suspects.
Anyone with information regarding the suspects or the crime is urged to contact the TIPS hotline at 816-474-TIPS.


Read more: http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/crime/p...#ixzz2XjqRN1vp
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Old 06-30-2013, 04:05 PM   #118
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Actually, whenever I read a story like that, I can't help but think there's more to it than what's being told. If someone is coming into your house to steal shit, why would they waste their time torturing and raping? This seems more like some sort of "payback" type of thing. I find it hard to believe shit like that just randomly happens.
There probably is more to the story. Why torture them unless you need some information or something. Still though, people are stupid now days and are very unpredictable
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(Personal opinion here - not stats.) The other issue I see is that most burglaries are intended to steal shit, not to kill people. While some burglars may carry a weapon in case they end up having to confront people, their primary intent is to steal things of value. Even when confronted, most aren't going to immediately want to kill someone if they don't have to. They'll make threats, they'll point a gun at you, but they're not going to pull a trigger unless they're really feeling threatened. And a homeowner pointing a gun at someone is decidedly threatening.

Will you get to them first? Maybe. But there's a good chance shots wouldn't have been fired in the first place had the homeowner not gone in guns blazing.
Yeah, when you introduce a gun into a situation like that, you're raising the stakes immensely. That's what I was getting at earlier when I said that if you grab a gun, you better be damn sure you're ready to use it, and be willing to use it to kill.
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Yeah, but that's where the issue lies as I see it - you're far more likely to shoot someone on accident (or on purpose in some case) than you are to ever actually have to defend yourself. Even in cases where it does happen like did with your wife, a vast majority of burglaries happen when no one is home, so the gun wouldn't have made a difference anyway.

Again, I don't fault people for wanting the sense of security that having a gun around brings, but you're fooling yourself if you think you're substantively safer by having one.
Yeah. I hear you. If we have a kid, no gun where a kid can get it. At that point, the probability is higher that the kid will hurt themselves as opposed to me protecting them with it.

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(Personal opinion here - not stats.) The other issue I see is that most burglaries are intended to steal shit, not to kill people. While some burglars may carry a weapon in case they end up having to confront people, their primary intent is to steal things of value. Even when confronted, most aren't going to immediately want to kill someone if they don't have to. They'll make threats, they'll point a gun at you, but they're not going to pull a trigger unless they're really feeling threatened. And a homeowner pointing a gun at someone is decidedly threatening.

Will you get to them first? Maybe. But there's a good chance shots wouldn't have been fired in the first place had the homeowner not gone in guns blazing.
You're entirely too logical. In reality, it is far more logical to obtain material goods legally than steal them in almost any case. So by default, thieves are not logical.

Additionally, if a dude is willing to break the law and steal your shit, it's probably not that far away from not giving a **** whether or not he blows a hole in some dude.

Here's how I see it going down. Dude decides he's going to break into my house. If he comes into my house without giving a **** whether or not I'm there, he's probably not going to think twice about blowing a hole in my abdomen.

Dude comes in thinking I'm gone, and I yell "HEY MOTHER****ER". He's going to freak and act even farther from logic. His primary thought will be he needs to get the **** out and save his hide. It's tough to preserve freedom when some dude just witnessed you breaking in and stealing his shit. Easiest way out. Blow a hole in the guy yelling at you.

I think the probability is a lot higher than you think of having somebody break in while you are there and you getting out unscathed.
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