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Old 06-30-2013, 04:52 PM  
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Girl buys water, spends night in jail

I found this story interesting/entertaining.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...181104442.html
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Felony charges were dropped on Thursday against a 20-year-old University of Virginia student who says she panicked when undercover agents from the state's Alcohol Beverage Control division mistook her water purchase for beer.

According to Charlottesville (Va.) Daily Progress, the student, Elizabeth Daly, was walking to her car on April 11 at approximately 10:15 p.m. with a box of sparkling water, cookie dough and ice cream she had just bought from a local supermarket when the agents—six men and one woman, all in plainclothes—approached suspecting the box, a blue carton of LaCroix sparkling water, to be a 12-pack of beer. One jumped on the hood of her SUV; another pulled out a gun, Daly said, as her roommates seated inside looked on in horror.

"They were showing unidentifiable badges after they approached us, but we became frightened, as they were not in anything close to a uniform," Daly wrote in an account submitted to the court. "I couldn't put my windows down unless I started my car, and when I started my car they began yelling to not move the car, not to start the car. They began trying to break the windows. My roommates and I were ... terrified."

Daly's roommate in the front passenger seat told her to "go, go, go"—and that's what she did, apparently "grazing" two of the agents in the process.

The students called 911 as they left the parking lot, police said, and were pulled over by another agent driving a vehicle with lights and sirens, Charlottesville Commonwealth Attorney Dave Chapman told the paper.

Daly apologized when she realized who they were, Chapman said, but agents arrested Daly and charged her with two counts of assaulting a law enforcement officer and one count of eluding police—each carrying a maximum penalty of five years in prison and $2,500 in fines. She spent the night in Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail.

"This has been an extremely trying experience," Daly wrote. "It is something to this day I cannot understand or believe has come to this point."

Either can Chapman.

"It wouldn't be the right thing to do to prosecute this," he said.

Nonetheless, Chapman "stood by the agents' decision to file charges, citing faith in a process that yielded an appropriate resolution."

"You don't know all the facts until you complete the investigation," he said.
Is it common practice to draw a weapon on an underage person suspected of purchasing alcohol?
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:10 PM   #91
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Sounds like she tried to do her job. The girls refused to cooperate, with a female agent. So, she called in her male agents.
Whatever she did scared those girls.

Nice job, copper.
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:12 PM   #92
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If you want to arrest some stupid girl who you think is buying booze underage just ****ing pull the car up and turn the lights on.

Simple.
This made me think a little deeper. With seven agents, it's obvious that they were going after a big fish. Perhaps a snitch informed them that the high school football team was planning a kegger or something. So they've got their whole enforcement team on stakeout waiting for the cornerbacks and receivers to show up (because you know the cornerbacks and receivers are the ringleaders), and they saw this minor situation occur. Wanting to make the best use of the taxpayer's money, they decided to do an enforcement action while waiting, and then it all blew up when the perp tried to run.
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:14 PM   #93
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Possibly, yes. I'm taking issue with the people who immediately place ALL the blame on the agents.

Does anyone think that any of this would have happened if the girls had just cooperated with the one, female agent to begin with?
I do not know. That might depend on timing and truthfulness of some of the events. To read this article one is led to believe excessive force came first, and from plain clothes agents waving badges that are not seen by the general public all too often.

Now the writer could be taking liberties with the story to try and stir up controversy. Or maybe the ABC is trying to cover its ass. I don't know. All I have before me at this point is this story in the OP. And as it reads, the agents were out of line.
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:29 PM   #94
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Donger, where are you getting you other details from? I just read through the thread in DC. This one here alludes to the girl being approached by all of the agents at the same time. The one in DC straight up says it. Where are you finding that the female agent first acted solo?
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:48 PM   #95
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Hey at least this didn't happen in LA or as part of the Boston bombers investigation, or those girls would all be sitting in a morgue right now.
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:58 PM   #96
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Seems to me the cheapest way, and maybe most effective way to keep underage kids from drinking would be to park one marked patrol car with one police officer in the parking lot.
They don't get money from fines that way.
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Donger, where are you getting you other details from? I just read through the thread in DC. This one here alludes to the girl being approached by all of the agents at the same time. The one in DC straight up says it. Where are you finding that the female agent first acted solo?
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/lo...9bb30f31a.html

ABC spokeswoman Kathleen Shaw said in the agency statement released Friday afternoon that agents were working the area that night, concentrating on underage possession enforcement. Shaw said a female agent saw "what appeared to be an underage person in possession of what appeared to be a case of beer."

"The agent identified herself as a police officer and was displaying her badge," the statement said.

"Other agents did not join the incident until the subject refused to cooperate," ABC said. "Rather than comply with the officers' requests, the subject drove off, striking two officers."

"The agents were acting upon reasonable suspicion," the statement added.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:10 PM   #98
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ABC spokeswoman Kathleen Shaw said in the agency statement released Friday afternoon that agents were working the area that night, concentrating on underage possession enforcement. Shaw said a female agent saw "what appeared to be an underage person in possession of what appeared to be a case of beer."

"The agent identified herself as a police officer and was displaying her badge," the statement said.

"Other agents did not join the incident until the subject refused to cooperate," ABC said. "Rather than comply with the officers' requests, the subject drove off, striking two officers."

"The agents were acting upon reasonable suspicion," the statement added.

I've been doing some looking around. There is also this from the original story:

"Charlottesville Commonwealth's Attorney Dave Chapman read Daly's account and said it was factually consistent."

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/bo...9bb30f31a.html


So you have the agency saying one thing and the city's attorney saying the girl's statement is factual according to the investigation that has been conducted. Throw in the charges for fleeing assaulting officers has been completely dropped..... I could be wrong but, the way it reads to me is the ABC is trying to cover its ass.
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Literally nobody is going to buy their account of mistaking water for beer. I wonder what they were really up to.
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Literally nobody is going to buy their account of mistaking water for beer. I wonder what they were really up to.
Actually I buy that part.

They are dumb cops.
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Actually I buy that part.

They are dumb cops.
dumb cops literally trained to spot alcohol. Zero chance they f up this badly.
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I've been doing some looking around. There is also this from the original story:

"Charlottesville Commonwealth's Attorney Dave Chapman read Daly's account and said it was factually consistent."

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/bo...9bb30f31a.html


So you have the agency saying one thing and the city's attorney saying the girl's statement is factual according to the investigation that has been conducted. Throw in the charges for fleeing assaulting officers has been completely dropped..... I could be wrong but, the way it reads to me is the ABC is trying to cover its ass.
If the agents are lying, go after them. I've no problem with that at all. I'm not under the impression that any cop is infallible.
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dumb cops literally trained to spot alcohol. Zero chance they f up this badly.
What are the chances this was a drug bust in booze clothing?
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If the agents are lying, go after them. I've no problem with that at all. I'm not under the impression that any cop is infallible.

I didn't really think you were.
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