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Old 07-01-2013, 08:33 AM  
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Egyptian protestors storming Muslim Brotherhood HQ, demanding Morsi's removal.

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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...850692648.html

Egypt opposition to continue mass protests
Seat of the powerful Muslim Brotherhood to which President Morsi belongs set on fire as protesters push for his removal.
Last Modified: 01 Jul 2013 12:45

Protesters seeking to force Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi from office are gearing up for a second day of action, after large crowds thronged the streets of Cairo and cities around the country and marched on the presidential palace.

In the capital, the seat of the powerful Muslim Brotherhood to which Morsi belongs, was set ablaze before people stormed and looted the building, an AFP correspondent there said.

People were seen leaving with petrol bombs, helmets, flak jackets, furniture, televisions and documents.

Some preparing for rallies on Monday spent the night in dozens of tents pitched at Cairo's central Tahrir Square and the palace, positions organisers say they will hold until Morsi resigns.

In fewer numbers, supporters of the Egyptian president came out on Sunday to show their support and defend what they called the president’s "legitimacy".

As anger against Morsi swept the streets, at least six people were killed and more than 600 wounded in clashes between the pro and anti-Morsi groups, the Reuters news agency reported.

The main opposition Tamarod - Arabic for rebellion - movement, which led the demonstrations, gave Morsi a deadline of Tuesday to quit, threatening a campaign of civil disobedience if he stays.

The number of people who joined in protests on Sunday, the anniversary of Morsi's first year in office, was between 14m and 17m people, the interior ministry told Al Jazeera.

"It is absolutely fair to say that an unprecedented number of Egyptians went to the streets accross the country," said Al Jazeera's Hoda Abdel Hamid, reporting from Cairo.

She added that a statement from Morsi during the protests was not welcomed by many, as it did not offer anything new.

In the message released on Sunday, he said: "I believe we can come together and find a way that builds our country," and he could "engage in national dialogue."

In its statement, Tamarod urged "state institutions including the army, the police and the judiciary to clearly side with the popular will as represented by the crowds."

The group also rejected presidential calls for dialogue, saying: "There is no way to accept any halfway measures.

"There is no alternative other than the peaceful end of power of the Muslim Brotherhood and its representative, Mohamed Morsi."

Morsi supporters

A few kilometres away from the presidential palace, thousands of Morsi supporters also staged their own sit-in to show support for their president.

"If we are saying that we have a majority, and the opposition are saying that they have a majority, how can they decide?" asked Nader Omran, a spokesman for the Freedom and Justice Party, the political wing of the Muslim Brotherhood.

"What is the other solution for this dilemma, except the ballot box?"

Presidential spokesman Omar Amer said Morsi was serious in his repeated calls for national dialogue.

"[Morsi] announced to all of Egypt's people he made mistakes and that he is in the process of fixing these mistakes," Amer told a late-night news conference.

The duelling rallies on Sunday only further highlighted the deepening political polarisation in Egypt.

Morsi supporters are full of praise for his first year in office, insisting that the president has strengthened civilian rule in Egypt and done his best to manage a failing economy.

Many of them dismissed Sunday’s protests as the work of ex-regime figures and “thugs”, fuelled by a hostile media and Western governments.

Anti-government protesters, on the other hand, dismissed Morsi’s first term as a failure and described him as a dictatorial leader. Many accused him of backing the Palestinian group Hamas and other armed groups; one well-dressed man in Tahrir insisted that Morsi planned to cede the Sinai peninsula to Hamas.

But their main complaint was the worsening economy, which has been in free-fall since Morsi took office, with the Egyptian pound losing nearly 20 percent of its value and industry crippled by fuel and electricity shortages.

"He's borrowed money from everyone in the world," said Said Ahmed, referring to $11bn in loans Egypt has received from Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey to prop up the economy. "Who's going to pay for that? Our children."
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:35 AM   #2
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23125387

Egypt protesters storm Muslim Brotherhood headquarters
Anti-government protesters in Egypt have stormed the national headquarters of President Mohammed Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood in the capital, Cairo.
1 July 2013 Last updated at 10:08 ET

People ransacked the building in the Moqattam area and set parts on fire.

Officials say eight people have been killed in clashes outside since Sunday, while eight others have died elsewhere.

Meanwhile, four ministers are reported to have resigned, a day after millions took to the streets across the country to demand the president leave power.

The al-Watan website said the ministers of tourism, environment, communication and legal affairs had acted "in solidarity with the people's demand to overthrow the regime".

On Monday afternoon, Egyptian state television reported the armed forces would issue a statement on the situation later in the day, but did not provide further details.

Earlier, the opposition movement behind the protests, Tamarod (Rebel), gave Mr Morsi until Tuesday afternoon to step down and call fresh presidential elections, or else face a campaign of civil disobedience.

Protesters across Egypt accuse the president of failing to tackle economic and security problems since being elected a year ago. His supporters insist he needs more time.

'Dangerous'

The crowds seen in Cairo's Tahrir Square on Sunday were the biggest since the 2011 revolution that toppled Hosni Mubarak.

Protests and sporadic outbreaks of violence were reported nationwide.

The health ministry said at least 16 people had been killed and 781 injured since Sunday.

Three people died in the central province of Assiut, and another four in Alexandria, Fayoum, Beni Suef and Kafr al-Sheikh. Another protester suffocated to death at a protest outside the Ittihadiya presidential palace in Cairo.

Eight people were killed in clashes around the Muslim Brotherhood's headquarters in Moqattam, the ministry added.

Overnight, protesters threw petrol bombs and rocks at armed guards inside the six-storey building, who retaliated by firing at them.

On Monday morning, the protesters stormed the headquarters and began throwing objects out of broken windows. One protester was seen removing parts of the signage, while another waved an Egyptian flag from a window. Later, people began walking out carrying office equipment.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:40 AM   #3
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Thats the beauty of the Muslim Brotherhood. Its made up of the same elements as DC's right wing nutbags. In this day and age no one, even Muslims that have been repressed by their governments for years are will to accept that level of repression.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:41 AM   #4
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Thats the beauty of the Muslim Brotherhood. Its made up of the same elements as DC's right wing nutbags. In this day and age no one, even Muslims that have been repressed by their governments for years are will to accept that level of repression.


See, that made some real sense.
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:12 AM   #5
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I am still laughing at Obama's hilariously stupid Egypt speech after he was elected a few years ago, where he basically groveled and apologized for America's evil over the years and how he'd change things. LOL, look at it now. Dumb-ass didn't accomplish a damn thing.
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:21 AM   #6
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I am still laughing at Obama's hilariously stupid Egypt speech after he was elected a few years ago, where he basically groveled and apologized for America's evil over the years and how he'd change things. LOL, look at it now. Dumb-ass didn't accomplish a damn thing.
Yeah, that didn't happen.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:00 AM   #7
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Yeah, that didn't happen.
"I also believe that events in Iraq have reminded America of the need to use diplomacy and build international consensus to resolve our problems whenever possible. (Applause.) Indeed, we can recall the words of Thomas Jefferson, who said: "I hope that our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us that the less we use our power the greater it will be."

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If that's not an apology for using force, it's about as close as you can possibly get to one. It was kinda cool how he bragged in that speech how his admin defends Islamic women's "right" to wear hijabs in America.
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Morsi has done more to make the Muslim Brotherhood unpopular in 6 months than Mubarak and Nasser trying as hard as they could did for 60 years.
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"I also believe that events in Iraq have reminded America of the need to use diplomacy and build international consensus to resolve our problems whenever possible. (Applause.) Indeed, we can recall the words of Thomas Jefferson, who said: "I hope that our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us that the less we use our power the greater it will be."

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If that's not an apology for using force, it's about as close as you can possibly get to one. It was kinda cool how he bragged in that speech how his admin defends Islamic women's "right" to wear hijabs in America.
Right, because I read his quote and I immediately think that he

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"In the middle of the Cold War, the United States played a role in the overthrow of a democratically elected Iranian government. Since the Islamic Revolution, Iran has played a role in acts of hostage-taking and violence against U.S. troops and civilians. This history is well known. Rather than remain trapped in the past, I've made it clear to Iran's leaders and people that my country is prepared to move forward."
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:19 PM   #11
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"In the middle of the Cold War, the United States played a role in the overthrow of a democratically elected Iranian government. Since the Islamic Revolution, Iran has played a role in acts of hostage-taking and violence against U.S. troops and civilians. This history is well known. Rather than remain trapped in the past, I've made it clear to Iran's leaders and people that my country is prepared to move forward."

Frankly, the Eisenhower Administration's installation of the Shah was almost certainly a mistake. If he apologized for it, I'd pretty much be ok with it, though it'd be fairly pointless.

I'm still not seeing groveling there anywhere.
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If that's not an apology for using force, it's about as close as you can possibly get to one.
Worst groveling and apologizing ever.
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Worst groveling and apologizing ever.

Ah, that must be it. He TRIED to grovel and apologize, but he ****ed it up just like he ****s up everything he touches or tries or do or even thinks of doing, because he's just the biggest ****up that ever ****ed anything up, but unluckily for us, he's the President so his ****ups ****up more than ****all.

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Frankly, the Eisenhower Administration's installation of the Shah was almost certainly a mistake. If he apologized for it, I'd pretty much be ok with it, though it'd be fairly pointless.

I'm still not seeing groveling there anywhere.
I wasn't referring to the groveling part, but yeah, I'd agree that Obama was at least tacitly apologetic in that speech.
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I wasn't referring to the groveling part, but yeah, I'd agree that Obama was at least tacitly apologetic in that speech.

I'd agree with that, and as it was fairly circumspect, I don't have a problem with it.
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