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Old 07-01-2013, 10:16 PM   #31
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:16 PM   #32
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:24 PM   #33
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:25 PM   #34
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:27 PM   #35
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Do some research and buy a good mutual fund. Don't try and pick individual stocks. Don't listen to people who say "I bought this at X and it's gone up and is now Y". Chances are the market went up as a whole ...a rising tide lifts all boats and what not
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:53 PM   #36
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:04 AM   #37
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I bought in FNMA at $1.60 back in May, rode the bubble all the way above $5.00, and back down to $2.00 ish. I could have had a 200% return in two weeks if I hadn't waited too long. Still made money though.

I wanted to buy TSLA back when it was under $40, but I let my fiancee talk me out of it. "Why do you want to buy Tesla? They're at their 52-week high right now."
Perfect example of what I referred to earlier. Average retail investors are good at picking winners. The difference between them and the pros is sell discipline and position sizing/portfolio management.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:34 AM   #38
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Perfect example of what I referred to earlier. Average retail investors are good at picking winners. The difference between them and the pros is sell discipline and position sizing/portfolio management.
Yup. I'd consider myself an average retail investor too. I've done very well for myself, and I don't do a whole ton of research. There are people who try to outsmart the market, but the truth is, any imperfection is baked into the stock price already.

I invest purely on whether I feel comfortable with the company's strategy. That's it. Oh, and I diversify. When I've got caught it's because I got too antsy and sold too soon, or because I tried to get too cute and out-think the market.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:55 AM   #39
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Perfect example of what I referred to earlier. Average retail investors are good at picking winners. The difference between them and the pros is sell discipline and position sizing/portfolio management.
WTH are you talking about? The science is actually really clear on this...NO one...not even 'great' investors actually succeed in 'beating' the market over the long term. The technical term eludes me right now but over the long term everyone returns to the mean. Some of this you'll never see because portfolio managers kill off their failures so the failed funds don't show up against other ones. Studies have shown this time and time again and it's why the big caveat always is states...past performance is no indication of future performance. Odds are good if someone has outperformed the market in the past they are going to underperform it in the future. Everyone returns to the mean. Seems surprising but that's what the studies have consistently shown.

The notion that trading individual stocks or trading often is a 'good' idea is a scam propagated by Wall Street. Remember they get paid when you make a trade regardless if you make money. The more trades you make, the more transaction fees you pay. Unless all your trades are free every trade is bleeding your returns.

The funny part is, even when people 'win' they are often losing, because many times the market gives better returns than they were able to. I'm with John Bogel here, the best strategy for consistent returns is a diversified investment that tracks the market. Pick the low load, low cost funds. Actively managed funds(either you or someone else) sounds like a good idea, but the reality is they don't tend to out perform the market over the long term AND they cost you more.

The worst it about many retail investors is that it's little better than gambling to them. You remember your 'successes' but you'll forget your failures, always chasing that 'high' of that big gamble you win with. Like I said this is what Wall Street loves to propagate because they don't care if you win. They make money the more trades you make(or in funds they make money regardless if your fund actually makes money).
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:43 AM   #41
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WTH are you talking about? The science is actually really clear on this...NO one...not even 'great' investors actually succeed in 'beating' the market over the long term. The technical term eludes me right now but over the long term everyone returns to the mean. Some of this you'll never see because portfolio managers kill off their failures so the failed funds don't show up against other ones. Studies have shown this time and time again and it's why the big caveat always is states...past performance is no indication of future performance. Odds are good if someone has outperformed the market in the past they are going to underperform it in the future. Everyone returns to the mean. Seems surprising but that's what the studies have consistently shown.

The notion that trading individual stocks or trading often is a 'good' idea is a scam propagated by Wall Street. Remember they get paid when you make a trade regardless if you make money. The more trades you make, the more transaction fees you pay. Unless all your trades are free every trade is bleeding your returns.

The funny part is, even when people 'win' they are often losing, because many times the market gives better returns than they were able to. I'm with John Bogel here, the best strategy for consistent returns is a diversified investment that tracks the market. Pick the low load, low cost funds. Actively managed funds(either you or someone else) sounds like a good idea, but the reality is they don't tend to out perform the market over the long term AND they cost you more.

The worst it about many retail investors is that it's little better than gambling to them. You remember your 'successes' but you'll forget your failures, always chasing that 'high' of that big gamble you win with. Like I said this is what Wall Street loves to propagate because they don't care if you win. They make money the more trades you make(or in funds they make money regardless if your fund actually makes money).
There are several examples of people who beat the market consistently. Are they going to beat it every year? No. But to act like it is impossible to beat the market is ridiculous. No with that being said, most people can't beat the market.
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:39 AM   #42
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Perfect example of what I referred to earlier. Average retail investors are good at picking winners. The difference between them and the pros is sell discipline and position sizing/portfolio management.
The danger in picking stocks is falling into the trap of chasing fads. You can't make money doing what everyone else is doing. You have to swim against the current. If you have an eye for value, or are good at predicting future fads, you can make money in stocks.

I'm young enough that I have a pretty good tolerance for risk. It gives me the freedom to be able to make the picks I want. There are never any guarantees though, just smart bets.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:22 AM   #43
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The danger in picking stocks is falling into the trap of chasing fads. You can't make money doing what everyone else is doing. You have to swim against the current. If you have an eye for value, or are good at predicting future fads, you can make money in stocks.

I'm young enough that I have a pretty good tolerance for risk. It gives me the freedom to be able to make the picks I want. There are never any guarantees though, just smart bets.
If you insist on buying individual stocks, then you need to read up on portfolio management and position sizing and you need to institute a proper sell discipline. Also, you should read up on behavioral investing so you can understand your own hard wired biases (we all have them. It's the way humans are wired) that hurt your chances of being a successful investor.
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If you aren't willing to put in the effort to properly analyze stocks then you should stay away from individual stocks.

Also, a good sell discipline is essential. Average retail investors actually do reasonably well at picking stocks. The difference between them and the pros is sell discipline and portfolio management.
Is there really a difference between an ETF and an individual stock in the long run? I mean doesn't the average gain/loss of any ETF boil down to a single percentage?
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