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“I felt like a sociopath” – Drone Operator Says He Is Haunted By The 1,600 He Killed



A former Air Force drone operator who says he participated in missions that killed more than 1,600 people remembers watching one of the first victims bleed to death.

Brandon Bryant says he was sitting in a chair at a Nevada Air Force base operating the camera when his team fired two missiles from their drone at three men walking down a road halfway around the world in Afghanistan. The missiles hit all three targets, and Bryant says he could see the aftermath on his computer screen – including thermal images of a growing puddle of hot blood.

“The guy that was running forward, he’s missing his right leg,” he recalled. “And I watch this guy bleed out and, I mean, the blood is hot.” As the man died his body grew cold, said Bryant, and his thermal image changed until he became the same color as the ground.

“I can see every little pixel,” said Bryant, who has been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, “if I just close my eyes.”
Bryant, now 27, served as a drone sensor operator from 2006 to 2011, at bases in Nevada, New Mexico and in Iraq, guiding unmanned drones over Iraq and Afghanistan. Though he didn’t fire missiles himself he took part in missions that he was told led to the deaths of an estimated 1,626 individuals.
In an interview with NBC News, he provided a rare first-person glimpse into what it’s like to control the controversial machines that have become central to the U.S. effort to kill terrorists.

He says that as an operator he was troubled by the physical disconnect between his daily routine and the violence and power of the faraway drones. “You don’t feel the aircraft turn,” he said. “You don’t feel the hum of the engine. You hear the hum of the computers, but that’s definitely not the same thing.”

At the same time, the images coming back from the drones were very real and very graphic.

“People say that drone strikes are like mortar attacks,” Bryant said. “Well, artillery doesn’t see this. Artillery doesn’t see the results of their actions. It’s really more intimate for us, because we see everything.”

A self-described “naïve” kid from a small Montana town, Bryant joined the Air Force in 2005 at age 19. After he scored well on tests, he said a recruiter told him that as a drone operator he would be like the smart guys in the control room in a James Bond movie, the ones who feed the agent the information he needs to complete his mission.

He trained for three and a half months before participating in his first drone mission. Bryant operated the drone’s cameras from his perch at Nellis Air Force base in Nevada as the drone rose into the air just north of Baghdad.
Bryant and the rest of his team were supposed to use their drone to provide support and protection to patrolling U.S. troops. But he recalls watching helplessly as insurgents buried an IED in a road and a U.S. Humvee drove over it.

“We had no way to warn the troops,” he said. He later learned that three soldiers died.

And once he had taken part in a kill, any remaining illusions about James Bond disappeared. “Like, this isn’t a videogame,” he said. “This isn’t some sort of fantasy. This is war. People die.”

Brandon Bryant stands with a Predator drone in Nevada. He says that as an operator he was troubled by the physical disconnect between his daily routine and the violence and power of the faraway drones.

Bryant said that most of the time he was an operator, he and his team and his commanding officers made a concerted effort to avoid civilian casualties.
But he began to wonder who the enemy targets on the ground were, and whether they really posed a threat. He’s still not certain whether the three men in Afghanistan were really Taliban insurgents or just men with guns in a country where many people carry guns. The men were five miles from American forces arguing with each other when the first missile hit them.
“They (didn’t) seem to be in a hurry,” he recalled. “They (were) just doing their thing. … They were probably carrying rifles, but I wasn’t convinced that they were bad guys.“ But as a 21-year-old airman, said Bryant, he didn’t think he had the standing to ask questions.

He also remembers being convinced that he had seen a child scurry onto his screen during one mission just before a missile struck, despite assurances from others that the figure he’d seen was really a dog.

After participating in hundreds of missions over the years, Bryant said he “lost respect for life” and began to feel like a sociopath. He remembers coming into work in 2010, seeing pictures of targeted individuals on the wall

– Anwar al-Awlaki and other al Qaeda and Taliban leaders — and musing,
“Which one of these f_____s is going to die today?”
In 2011, as Bryant’s career as a drone operator neared its end, he said his commander presented him with what amounted to a scorecard. It showed that he had participated in missions that contributed to the deaths of 1,626 people.
“I would’ve been happy if they never even showed me the piece of paper,” he said.

“I’ve seen American soldiers die, innocent people die, and insurgents die. And it’s not pretty. It’s not something that I want to have — this diploma.”
Now that he’s out of the Air Force and back home in Montana, Bryant said he doesn’t want to think about how many people on that list might’ve been innocent: “It’s too heartbreaking.”

The Veterans Administration diagnosed him with Post-traumatic Stress Disorder, for which he has undergone counseling. He says his PTSD has manifested itself as anger, sleeplessness and blackout drinking.
“I don’t feel like I can really interact with that average, everyday person,” he said. “I get too frustrated, because A) they don’t realize what’s going on over there. And B) they don’t care.”

He’s also reluctant to tell the people in his personal life what he was doing for five years. When he told a woman he was seeing that he’d been a drone operator, and contributed to the deaths of a large number of people, she cut him off. “She looked at me like I was a monster,” he said. “And she never wanted to touch me again.”

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Old 07-01-2013, 11:44 PM   #2
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:48 PM   #3
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I feel bad for this guy, I'm not sure I could deal with it at all.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:56 PM   #4
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I feel bad for this guy, I'm not sure I could deal with it at all.
I'd much rather do the drone thing than in person. No way I could handle that. I'd be bug ****ing nuts in 2 weeks tops.
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:57 PM   #5
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I'd much rather do the drone thing than in person. No way I could handle that. I'd be bug ****ing nuts in 2 weeks tops.
I could deal with it if they were all truly bad guys, murderers...but knowing you had to have killed even one innocent..women...children...man no way.
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Killing with artillery, tanks and other machines is where its at. Then you don't feel bad about it.
if you kill somebody you should see it

I do not like drones cause sooner or later it will become a video game

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I've always been opposed to the use of drones because (1) they do kill innocent people, and (2) it's too ****ing easy.

The use of drones reminds me of an episode of the original Star Trek series where two planets had been at war with each other for hundreds of years. They waged the war by sending mathematical equations to each other that identified random people who had to die. Those people were then required by their own governments to get in line to be killed in some sort of gizmo that vaporized them. War had become so clean, easy, and sanitized that neither side was motivated to end the war.

If you're going to kill people, you should own it. Don't send a bunch of drones out there to do your killing for you so that you don't have to be bothered with it.
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I've always been opposed to the use of drones because (1) they do kill innocent people, and (2) it's too ****ing easy. .

If you're going to kill people, you should own it. Don't send a bunch of drones out there to do your killing for you so that you don't have to be bothered with it.


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B17s and B52's, carpet bombing...the good old days when innocents were safe from harm....
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What part of "If you're going to kill people, you should own it" do you disagree with?
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I've always been opposed to the use of drones because (1) they do kill innocent people, and (2) it's too ****ing easy.

At least since the invention of gunpowder innocent people die in every war. When your opponents intentionally shield themselves behind innocents, the odds of that go up.

That's why war is, in general, bad and should only be used with extreme reluctance and caution.

Your point number 2 is silly.

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Drones don't accomplish that result. Not even close. What those two planets had done was come up with a sterilized system of warfare to essentially remove any chance of either side winning, so the war was perpetual.

Drones are a weapon to help win and help reduce your losses while doing so.

This guy has PTSD, and that's sad and unfortunate and we should help him deal with that. IF HE HADN'T DONE HIS JOB HOW MANY WOULD BE DEAD OR CRIPPLED because of some belief that the "right" way to fight a war is to have a guy with a gun out there in the mud?


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Makes no sense. Zero. None. You can dial this all the way back to "take away all projectile weapons -- we should all have swords. We need to "own" it. Ridiculous.
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B17s and B52's, carpet bombing...the good old days when innocents were safe from harm....

Seriously.
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What part of "If you're going to kill people, you should own it" do you disagree with?

How the enemy dies is of little concern to me. Seems like it happens in war. Bummer.
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