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Old 07-03-2013, 10:23 AM  
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The Constitution. Happy Birthday, America

In honor of our Nation's birthday, and as a result of the fact that the majority of Americans who use the constitution as a shield and have no idea what most of it actually says...I propose a discussion. Each day, we'll read, review and discuss 1 section of the constitution and the bill of rights.




"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:19 PM   #46
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So you think the founders were socialists, huh?
Where the **** did I say that?
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:47 PM   #47
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Where the **** did I say that?
sometimes people (cosmo, in this case) forget and use bep-style reasoning/tactics...

her favorite is the "strawman"...

it's a human failing...
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:49 PM   #48
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sometimes people (cosmo, in this case) forget and use bep-style reasoning/tactics...

her favorite is the "strawman"...

it's a human failing...
He's a she too???
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Old 07-03-2013, 02:13 PM   #49
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Where the **** did I say that?
I said the Constitution allows for taxation for general welfare...you said that is socialism...the founders wrote the Constitution...so, you must believe the founders are socialist.

The problem here is that SOME people see one drop of "socialism" and then declare the whole system "socialist." It's ridiculous.

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Old 07-03-2013, 02:14 PM   #50
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He's a she too???
BEP's a she. Not me.
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Old 07-03-2013, 02:20 PM   #51
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I said the Constitution allows for taxation for general welfare...you said that is socialism...the founders wrote the Constitution...so, you must believe the founders are socialist.
Heh. Got ya. I guess its a just how you interpret what "general welfare" is. Yours just happens to be wrong.
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Old 07-03-2013, 02:48 PM   #52
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During the time this document was created, I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that "general welfare" had anything to do with free food, rent, electric bills and obama phones.

"General Welfare" had more to do with the state of the Nation and it's needs to serve it's citizens.

As usual, Cosmo is wrong. The founders are pretty clear that there is intent to a Republic that allows men to take care of one's self. There is nothing that indicates socialism.
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Old 07-03-2013, 02:50 PM   #53
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The founders are pretty clear that there is intent to a Republic that allows men to take care of one's self.
Freedom? Nah...
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Old 07-03-2013, 02:50 PM   #54
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Old 07-03-2013, 02:54 PM   #55
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I said the Constitution allows for taxation for general welfare...you said that is socialism...the founders wrote the Constitution...so, you must believe the founders are socialist.

The problem here is that SOME people see one drop of "socialism" and then declare the whole system "socialist." It's ridiculous.
Socialist is just a word the conservative media uses to attack anything the don't like without actually having to explain why or offer reason.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:31 PM   #56
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Heh. Got ya. I guess its a just how you interpret what "general welfare" is. Yours just happens to be wrong.
Me and the Supreme Court.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:33 PM   #57
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“The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
― Thomas Jefferson
I'm not commenting on the merit of what is being expressed, but TJ did not say this.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:35 PM   #58
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:37 PM   #59
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Someone else doesn't know what socialism is.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:54 PM   #60
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The words aren't important.

Remove them from the image and it's still relevant.

Obama has been pissing on the Constitution since he entered office. Constantly. He has an incredible lack of respect for the principles upon which this country was founded.
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