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Old 07-05-2013, 12:59 PM  
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Bush & Cheney Knew About 9/11 Months Before It Happened Says Whistleblower Charged Under Patriot Act

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Old 07-05-2013, 03:15 PM   #16
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FWIW, there is a very interesting (and sad) Frontline documentary about an agent, John O'Neill, who pressed really hard for greater diligence WRT the threats that manifested as 9/11, but he was ultimately thwarted by internal politics and his own personal vices. It's called "The Man Who Knew".
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:18 PM   #17
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Wasn't the same accusation about the Pearl Harbor attack? Just different prez.
Yes, although our intel weenies knew that Japan was going to attack from intercepts. They just didn't know exactly where and when.
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:19 PM   #18
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Everyone knows about the PDB, but this is a classic case of revisionism. It's easy to see the warning signs now when you know an attack happened, but you also have to consider the thousands of other estimates, analyses, and predictions that never came to fruition.

Trying to assign blame to 9/11 is the work of a scared fool; it's that same type of fool that uses religion to explain away everything in the world because they are too terrified to acknowledge that there are some things without easily digestible explanations.
Well said, and I completely agree.
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:22 PM   #19
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Everyone knows about the PDB, but this is a classic case of revisionism. It's easy to see the warning signs now when you know an attack happened, but you also have to consider the thousands of other estimates, analyses, and predictions that never came to fruition.

Trying to assign blame to 9/11 is the work of a scared fool; it's that same type of fool that uses religion to explain away everything in the world because they are too terrified to acknowledge that there are some things without easily digestible explanations.
making excuses for a complete systemic breakdown in nat'l security leading to thousands of dead americans is the work of fools.

the borders of passage are still just as open as ever -- see 2013 boston marathon. Hundreds of thousands in nat'l security with over a decade experience in modern security risks, backed by hundreds of billion$ in taxpayer money, and folks like you are still defending the assholes.
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:24 PM   #20
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making excuses for a complete systemic breakdown in nat'l security leading to thousands of dead americans is the work of fools.

the borders of passage are still just as open as ever -- see 2013 boston marathon. Hundreds of thousands in nat'l security with over a decade experience in modern security risks, backed by hundreds of billion$ in taxpayer money, and folks like you are still defending the assholes.
If we could only spy more on the American people these tragedies wouldn't happen..oh wait.
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:33 PM   #21
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making excuses for a complete systemic breakdown in nat'l security leading to thousands of dead americans is the work of fools.

the borders of passage are still just as open as ever -- see 2013 boston marathon. Hundreds of thousands in nat'l security with over a decade experience in modern security risks, backed by hundreds of billion$ in taxpayer money, and folks like you are still defending the assholes.
If you want ironclad security against the spectrum of terrorist attacks you are more than welcome to advocate for a police state. Personally, I'll trade a higher risk of a terrorist attack for basic freedoms and an absence of constant surveillance.
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:39 PM   #22
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making excuses for a complete systemic breakdown in nat'l security leading to thousands of dead americans is the work of fools.

the borders of passage are still just as open as ever -- see 2013 boston marathon. Hundreds of thousands in nat'l security with over a decade experience in modern security risks, backed by hundreds of billion$ in taxpayer money, and folks like you are still defending the assholes.
So, you think anything less than 100% success and prevention constitutes a complete systemic breakdown in national security?
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:40 PM   #23
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The level of competent forethought and planning required to pull it off pretty much make it impossible for the government to have been responsible.
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:42 PM   #24
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...and we're being lied to about Iran too.
To which lies are you referring?
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:52 PM   #25
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Russia today has done an excellent job in providing us information our govt does not want us to know and their handmaidens in the press won't report.
It's good to look at foreign press sources from time to time. So the reason you haven't heard it from that subjective word "credible" is because what is the "creditable" news in America doesn't want it known. Some of the other whistleblowers have also claimed using proper channels has not clout. So there's come collaboration there. The people at the top in this country today are corrupt.

I forget where I read it before, but I also read about the warnings which was August.
There has been a wealth of information provided on reports warning of an attack beforehand including documentaries shown on various networks. All supported by people who either currently work in intelligence or worked on it during that time. None of those people were hushed up, made to look like a loon, or forced out that I know of,...why the difference?
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:57 PM   #26
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Yes, although our intel weenies knew that Japan was going to attack from intercepts. They just didn't know exactly where and when.
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:08 PM   #28
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Everyone making an accusation is a "whistleblower" now.

As horrible as I believe W and Cheney were, I don't think it was an "inside job" or that they knew it was coming. I'd imagine that intelligence reports must come in daily about this threat or that threat without sufficient info on the details to do anything about it. But, I'm just a partisan shill so I could be wrong.
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Hell ,I hope Obama was born in kenya, just to know a group is competent to pull that kind of shit off


but the govt we have can;'t even screen one guuy to not give away NSA secrets
yeah no such thing, just rich kids oplaying at leading

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FWIW, there is a very interesting (and sad) Frontline documentary about an agent, John O'Neill, who pressed really hard for greater diligence WRT the threats that manifested as 9/11, but he was ultimately thwarted by internal politics and his own personal vices. It's called "The Man Who Knew".
Someone should have put him in charge of security at the World Trade Center.
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making excuses for a complete systemic breakdown in nat'l security leading to thousands of dead americans is the work of fools.

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Really? You're one of the guys decrying current security policies as those of a police state aren't you?
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