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Old 07-05-2013, 02:12 PM  
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Looks the Warriors are dumping Biedrins and Jefferson in a salary dump to Utah
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:21 PM   #226
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Lin will easily be the first scapegoat Dwight throws under the bus if the team is doing poorly, probably because of his turnover problems.

I can't see him ever selling out his boy Parsons or Harden, so Lin and Asik would be the first Dwight would cry about

same thing he did in Orlando

Winning does cure this, but only for so long.
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:21 PM   #227
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Asik's trade value isn't going anywhere, Lin's contract isn't nearly as big as everyone makes it out to be (similar to what Dragic got), and they have young forwards with decent potential. They have a very flexible plan
Asik is incredibly tradable.
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:22 PM   #228
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I wish the 76ers would trade for Asik lol
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:23 PM   #229
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The Houston Rockets drive me crazy. They are building their team like an amusement park. There's no plan except to sign every big name they can. Even though I hated Miami's big three thing, at least they were smart for how they built around the superstars and looked like they had a plan.
That is completely ignorant.
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:25 PM   #230
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Asik is incredibly tradable.
It was worded poorly. I agree with you. His trade value is outstanding and they can wait til next year if they want
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:26 PM   #231
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Lin will easily be the first scapegoat Dwight throws under the bus if the team is doing poorly, probably because of his turnover problems.

I can't see him ever selling out his boy Parsons or Harden, so Lin and Asik would be the first Dwight would cry about

same thing he did in Orlando

Winning does cure this, but only for so long.
In Orlando, he was right. They put garbage around him. Hedo and Jameer were their end of game go to players. He obviously handled it poorly down the stretch of his Magic tenure, but he was in the same position as LeBron in Cleveland.
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:28 PM   #232
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Lin will easily be the first scapegoat Dwight throws under the bus if the team is doing poorly, probably because of his turnover problems.

I can't see him ever selling out his boy Parsons or Harden, so Lin and Asik would be the first Dwight would cry about

same thing he did in Orlando

Winning does cure this, but only for so long.
Well Parsons and Lin are probably closest on the team. I imagine they'll all get along. McHale is a player's coach too
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The 76ers were winning nothing with their current setup. They ended up with Noel and two possible lottery picks in the best draft of the decade. There's a good chance they could get two franchise players along with Noel, who can be an elite defensive center/rebounder.
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:32 PM   #234
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The 76ers were winning nothing with their current setup. They ended up with Noel and two possible lottery picks in the best draft of the decade. There's a good chance they could get two franchise players along with Noel, who can be an elite defensive center/rebounder.
It's not a bad idea for them. I'm fine with all the talent going to the East next year
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:38 PM   #235
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I wish the 76ers would trade for Asik lol
Should have never traded for Noel. Asik would be a perfect fit if that didn't go down.

Makes no sense to me at all.

I may be overrating Jrue, but I thought he was supremely underrated.
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:54 PM   #236
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:28 PM   #237
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No plan? What are you talking about? Morey has been collecting cheap assets along the way with the hope of trading for or signing top 20 players. They lost Yao Ming long before they expected. They signed Lin and Asik away from teams that wanted to keep them. Lin looks a bit expensive now, but he only has 2 years left and he could still improve (24 years old). Asik was a really nice find, and he's only 23 and still improving. He's also a very nice trade chip at this point. After signing those guys, Harden fell into their lap. You going to tell me they shouldn't have traded for Harden because he and Lin weren't a fit? Morey had no idea he was going to get Harden when he signed Lin. Meanwhile, he created space to sign the best free agent available this season, a guy who is a nice match with Harden and Parsons. If Howard is healthy and becomes what he was with Orlando, it's a great signing.

As for Houston and Royce White.....Morey doesn't seem like the type of GM who doesn't do his homework. He understood what he was getting into in terms of special circumstances; what he didn't understand was how difficult White was to deal with.
In Lin and Asik, you have $16M per year to guys who are now deadweight and will be more difficult to deal at that price tag. Howard is a big signing, but he's also a head case. Royce White was a head case. They don't seem to care about draft picks and while they've been surprisingly successful in the second rounds, their first round recent track record is beyond lousy and most of them have been dealt away. While they got a great deal on Thomas Robinson, he'll be a so-so NBA player. And in 2 years, Parsons has a contract that's going to make him more difficult to sign.

I think you give way too much credit to Morey. He seems like a guy more interested in proving how clever he is versus building a blueprint for a team.
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:45 PM   #238
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The 76ers were winning nothing with their current setup. They ended up with Noel and two possible lottery picks in the best draft of the decade. There's a good chance they could get two franchise players along with Noel, who can be an elite defensive center/rebounder.
if they had never made that trade their roster would have been

PG - Jrue/Lou Williams
SG - Evan Turner/Lou Williams
SF - Iggy/Harkless
PF - Thad Young/Lavoy Allen
C - Vucevic/Hawes

even if Iggy walks, or they knew he was gonna, they could have did a sign and trade that yielded something back in terms of picks or depths that was not Bynum, and kept Harkless and Vucevic, and still packaged Jrue for Noel.

then you have: Hark, Vuc, Noel, MCW, etc.

They lost two prospects right now that will be better than anything they get next year, because you dont know their pick slots, but you can assume top 10. But there is a lot of teams tanking next year, so it's actually cooler to lose next year then it is for middle of the road teams to compete. So either way its going to be tough to get a top pick. And I'm not going to just assume they are getting Wiggins, and realistically if they dont get a top 5 pick than Vuc is better than anything they get, as it stands. They lost more than they gained in the last year, but a large margin.

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Old 07-07-2013, 09:56 PM   #239
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In Lin and Asik, you have $16M per year to guys who are now deadweight and will be more difficult to deal at that price tag. Howard is a big signing, but he's also a head case. Royce White was a head case. They don't seem to care about draft picks and while they've been surprisingly successful in the second rounds, their first round recent track record is beyond lousy and most of them have been dealt away. While they got a great deal on Thomas Robinson, he'll be a so-so NBA player. And in 2 years, Parsons has a contract that's going to make him more difficult to sign.

I think you give way too much credit to Morey. He seems like a guy more interested in proving how clever he is versus building a blueprint for a team.
In two years, both Lin and Asik are off the books if not traded. There goes the Parsons problem. I think Asik gets good value next year

T-Rob isn't on the team.

They still got a a really high 2nd for the White mistake. Got a high second back for the Morris mistake

1st rounder Terrance Jones looks promising. Showed flashes last year and dominated the D-league. He had 24/12 today in the summer league.

1st rounder Jeremy Lamb was a big part of the Harden deal

1st rounder Donatas Motiejunas has also shown promise and has apparently bulked up. His play on his national team should be interesting

Drafted Brooks, Landry, and Budinger as late picks.

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Old 07-07-2013, 10:30 PM   #240
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In two years, both Lin and Asik are off the books if not traded. There goes the Parsons problem. I think Asik gets good value next year

T-Rob isn't on the team.

They still got a a really high 2nd for the White mistake. Got a high second back for the Morris mistake

1st rounder Terrance Jones looks promising. Showed flashes last year and dominated the D-league. He had 24/12 today in the summer league.

1st rounder Jeremy Lamb was a big part of the Harden deal

1st rounder Donatas Motiejunas has also shown promise and has apparently bulked up. His play on his national team should be interesting

Drafted Brooks, Landry, and Budinger as late picks.
It's an amusement park strategy. We're looking at a 5 year draft strategy and the only names we can pull out are Chase Buddinger, Chandler Parsons, and a bunch of prospects with upside?

I guess he's smart in that he's made a ton of mistakes and the team isn't in dire straits. And I guess credit him for being ultra-active. But the only thing I see is that he threw a shitload of money at two superstars and has surrounded them with a below average supporting cast where much of that talent can't even be on the same floor as the starters. And the young talent is very subpar compared to teams who have drafted well for 5 years.
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