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Old 07-05-2013, 03:12 PM  
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:36 PM   #301
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I didn't get the Asik signing. You pay $8M per year for a guy who is terrible in pick and roll, and you bring him in to complement Lin... who is a pick and roll guy who loves to dish to his Center. I still don't like the combo of Lin and Harden -- like Melo and Stoudemire, to get production out of one, you have to neuter the other because they take up the same space.

If the Rockets wipe their hands clean of Asik and Lin, maybe you've got something. Right now, in Lin and Asik, you're paying $16M for two guys who I still think were shiny objects vs. being part of some kind of a long-term strategy. McHale did make it work a little bit with Harden and Lin, but let's be real... they don't belong on the floor with each other, and Asik doesn't belong on the floor with those guys either.
what's wrong with signing place holders in the NBA?

Lin and Asik literally are keeping a seat warm, but at the same time they were more than enough to draw crowds in the last year, especially Lin. Asik is not some scrub either

you are talking about Rocket fans who had Louis Scola and Samuel Dalembert and other clowns before they signed Asik, people wanted to see a center with potential and a PG that covers their overseas market like Yao did. They generated money for that team last year in a city that has no business doing that in the NBA, so hats of to them for adopting a model to compete with the Miami Heat, Lakers, Knicks who just throw money around like it's candy corn
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:38 PM   #302
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Asik wants no part of the Rockets. They have to trade him IMO.
Perhaps, but he's getting paid by the Rockets. What's he going to do, sit out and not get a check? He was a backup for the Bulls and still got paid because teams understand he's valuable regardless. They'll try to convince him it doesn't really hurt his long-term value if he's getting 25 minutes behind (or beside) Howard instead of the 30 he averaged this season.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:40 PM   #303
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:00 PM   #304
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Yeah, I'm buying into what you're saying about what he's done with the dime priced talent.

But what about the $8M dollar players who played at dime levels? I'll agree with you on the draft, but Lin and Asik was a "shiny object" strategy. And maybe McHale is better than I give him credit for, but I don't think he's very good either.
Why do you keep dumping on the Asik signing? It was brilliant.
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:01 PM   #305
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I think you're way off on Asik. He's not accomplished offensively, but he does everything else well. Great rebounder, very good defender, very good screener. He's not a great roll guy, but just allowing Harden and Lin to rub their guy and turn the corner into the lane was half the Rockets offense.

Lin and Harden aren't a great fit, but again, Morey didn't know he was getting Harden when he signed Lin.
When Morey signed Lin, he shouldn't have signed Asik. It was as bad as thinking Nash and Howard would have chemistry together. Lin thrives on pick and roll. Asik is horrible at pick and roll because he has clumsy hands and is no threat outside of the very low post to shoot. Asik's a good player in a specific scheme, but not this one.

Which is why I'm again talking about how sometimes Morey's strategy has been to sort of throw a bunch of players together without any thought about how they'd work together. Can we just admit that Lin and Asik was a failed experiment?
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:12 PM   #306
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:22 PM   #307
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:15 AM   #308
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Why do you keep dumping on the Asik signing? It was brilliant.
This. Maybe not brilliant, but it was a damn good signing. Zilla has made some terrible points. I'm hoping a team gets desperate for him at some point next season.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:38 AM   #309
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I like Asik. Not sure how valuable he'll be with Howard though. Lin was the only shit signing, and it has nothing to do with not knowing you are getting Harden. Hes simply not worth the money. That was all about keeping the China market. I really dont think they are a serious contender without moving Asik and/or Lin. Even if they do Howard will find a reason to be unhappy in 6 months.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:51 AM   #310
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Yeah, I'm buying into what you're saying about what he's done with the dime priced talent.

But what about the $8M dollar players who played at dime levels? I'll agree with you on the draft, but Lin and Asik was a "shiny object" strategy. And maybe McHale is better than I give him credit for, but I don't think he's very good either.
Asik is still a very valuable asset. The Rockets could easily trade him for a stretch 4 that would fit that team immensely well.

Asik for a Ryan Anderson type (probably through a three way trade) is very doable.

Asik for Jeff Green straight up is another possible trade.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:50 AM   #311
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Asik is still a very valuable asset. The Rockets could easily trade him for a stretch 4 that would fit that team immensely well.

Asik for a Ryan Anderson type (probably through a three way trade) is very doable.

Asik for Jeff Green straight up is another possible trade.
With the contract they gave Asik, they could have easily in the past 2 years paid that same kind of money for a stretch 4.

This team needs assets who can pick and roll. Harden, Lin, and McHale thrive on it. Asik is NOT good at pick and roll. And guess what... Howard hates the pick and roll too. Because he's a terrible shooter and he belongs in the post. And there are rumors that he not only bitched about it in LA, but refused at times to run it. Has anyone even thought about that?

The team is stacking players with no thought to how they work together. Howard doesn't belong in a pick and roll offense, nor does Asik. And if you take away the pick and roll, you limit a lot of what Harden can do. So what offense will they run?
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:59 AM   #312
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With the contract they gave Asik, they could have easily in the past 2 years paid that same kind of money for a stretch 4.

This team needs assets who can pick and roll. Harden, Lin, and McHale thrive on it. Asik is NOT good at pick and roll. And guess what... Howard hates the pick and roll too. Because he's a terrible shooter and he belongs in the post. And there are rumors that he not only bitched about it in LA, but refused at times to run it. Has anyone even thought about that?

The team is stacking players with no thought to how they work together. Howard doesn't belong in a pick and roll offense, nor does Asik. And if you take away the pick and roll, you limit a lot of what Harden can do. So what offense will they run?
The Rockets were advised not to trade for Howard because the word around Orlando was that Howard would never sign an extension there. Asik was a good plan B and it's all going to work out... especially if Lin ups his 3-point game like I expect him to.

How many true centers are great pick and roll players these days? A handful? What other young centers were available? Asik is still an elite rebounder and defender.

I'm not sure what stretch 4s were available, but the Rockets traded two of them because of the expectations for Jones and Motiejunas.

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You act like they signed Asik with the expectation of getting Howard. The Rockets were advised not to trade for Howard because the word around Orlando was that Howard would never sign an extension there. Asik was a good plan B and it's all going to work out. How many centers are great pick and roll players? A handful? Asik is still an elite rebounder and defender. I'm not sure what stretch 4s were available, but the Rockets traded two of them because of the expectations for Jones and Motiejunas.
No, I am talking about people who are defending these moves to the ends of the earth.

Fact, the Rockets paid $8M per year for an overpriced point guard and a Center who did NOT mesh with the offense they wanted to run. In fact, he's a terrible fit for the offense because not only can he not shoot, he also can't catch the ball.

And yeah, we have to closely monitor how Howard fits into this picture. He hates pick and roll. Not just hates it, but openly despises it. And yet you have a coach and a star player who thrive on it. Put t his under "wait and see" but it's a legitimate question that of course people will call me an idiot for asking.
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No, I am talking about people who are defending these moves to the ends of the earth.

Fact, the Rockets paid $8M per year for an overpriced point guard and a Center who did NOT mesh with the offense they wanted to run. In fact, he's a terrible fit for the offense because not only can he not shoot, he also can't catch the ball.

And yeah, we have to closely monitor how Howard fits into this picture. He hates pick and roll. Not just hates it, but openly despises it. And yet you have a coach and a star player who thrive on it. Put t his under "wait and see" but it's a legitimate question that of course people will call me an idiot for asking.
Weren't Howard and Nelson great at the pick and roll?
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Weren't Howard and Nelson great at the pick and roll?
That's true, as long as they play less of pick and pop. Again, I'm not judging the Howard pickup until I see what they do with him. I still don't get the asik pickup even if he is a good player.
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