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Old 07-05-2013, 03:12 PM  
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Looks the Warriors are dumping Biedrins and Jefferson in a salary dump to Utah
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:01 AM   #316
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That's true, as long as they play less of pick and pop. Again, I'm not judging the Howard pickup until I see what they do with him. I still don't get the asik pickup even if he is a good player.
Fair enough. I'm done arguing it. Should be interesting either way.
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:12 PM   #317
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Cavaliers are suddenly pretty damn stacked. Varejao is pretty good, then you add six first round picks the last three years(2#1's and 2#4 overalls) then sign Jack, Earl Clark, and Bynum... Pretty good on paper all the sudden. And real young.
if they get Bynum, and can get 70+ games out of him and Kyrie, that's a playoff team, and might be one of the deepest teams in all the league. Only ones I can think of that are deeper are the clippers, and Indiana.
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:29 PM   #318
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No, I am talking about people who are defending these moves to the ends of the earth.

Fact, the Rockets paid $8M per year for an overpriced point guard and a Center who did NOT mesh with the offense they wanted to run. In fact, he's a terrible fit for the offense because not only can he not shoot, he also can't catch the ball.

And yeah, we have to closely monitor how Howard fits into this picture. He hates pick and roll. Not just hates it, but openly despises it. And yet you have a coach and a star player who thrive on it. Put t his under "wait and see" but it's a legitimate question that of course people will call me an idiot for asking.
Do they only play basketball on one end of the court? They needed a defensive minded big to make up for the types of perimeter players they wanted to put on the floor (not to mention those specific perimeter players aren't particularly good shooters).

Asik is ok in p&r, because he gets Harden and Lin free with his picks. He's not going to do anything on a roll to the bucket, but that's fine. Those guys can either finish in the lane or kick to a shooter. Asik can crash for the offensive board.

I am going to defend the Asik signing, because I think you're wrong. Lin? Eh, I get why they did it, but not a great decision so far.
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:37 PM   #319
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Do they only play basketball on one end of the court? They needed a defensive minded big to make up for the types of perimeter players they wanted to put on the floor (not to mention those specific perimeter players aren't particularly good shooters).

Asik is ok in p&r, because he gets Harden and Lin free with his picks. He's not going to do anything on a roll to the bucket, but that's fine. Those guys can either finish in the lane or kick to a shooter. Asik can crash for the offensive board.

I am going to defend the Asik signing, because I think you're wrong. Lin? Eh, I get why they did it, but not a great decision so far.
I think what a lot of people are missing, is that a lot of the attitude problem Howard has was with the coaches. He thought he knew more. There is no way in hell he can think he knows more about playing the big position than his head coach now, or the guy they have helping him this summer in Hakeem. He will be fine.
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:43 PM   #320
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if they get Bynum, and can get 70+ games out of him and Kyrie, that's a playoff team, and might be one of the deepest teams in all the league. Only ones I can think of that are deeper are the clippers, and Indiana.
It will be all about health. Irving and Bynum could lead them deep into the playoffs (GSW 2.0 - Curry and Bogut), or they could miss the playoffs altogether.
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:56 PM   #321
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It will be all about health. Irving and Bynum could lead them deep into the playoffs (GSW 2.0 - Curry and Bogut), or they could miss the playoffs altogether.
agreed. I love their bench. jack, earl, Anderson if Bynum signs. Zeller. Love it.
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Old 07-10-2013, 02:01 PM   #322
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When Morey signed Lin, he shouldn't have signed Asik. It was as bad as thinking Nash and Howard would have chemistry together. Lin thrives on pick and roll. Asik is horrible at pick and roll because he has clumsy hands and is no threat outside of the very low post to shoot. Asik's a good player in a specific scheme, but not this one.

Which is why I'm again talking about how sometimes Morey's strategy has been to sort of throw a bunch of players together without any thought about how they'd work together. Can we just admit that Lin and Asik was a failed experiment?
Wait, did you know that prior to coming to the Lakers, Howard was rated as the top pick and roll big in the NBA?

So yes, pairing Nash and Howard was a smart move, just like signing a 7 footer who plays great D and can rebound and shot block.

Why do you even watch the NBA? You don't understand any facet of it.
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Old 07-10-2013, 02:03 PM   #323
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Asik is still a very valuable asset. The Rockets could easily trade him for a stretch 4 that would fit that team immensely well.

Asik for a Ryan Anderson type (probably through a three way trade) is very doable.

Asik for Jeff Green straight up is another possible trade.
I doubt Anderson is going to be traded based on the Pelicans trading away Lopez. They traded Lopez to get Anderson on the floor.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:37 PM   #324
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I doubt Anderson is going to be traded based on the Pelicans trading away Lopez. They traded Lopez to get Anderson on the floor.
I know, but I said that's the type of guy the Rockets should seek out, not the guy they will get.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:50 PM   #325
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Wait, did you know that prior to coming to the Lakers, Howard was rated as the top pick and roll big in the NBA?

So yes, pairing Nash and Howard was a smart move, just like signing a 7 footer who plays great D and can rebound and shot block.

Why do you even watch the NBA? You don't understand any facet of it.
I am not commenting on whether he can run the pick and roll as much as I am talking about how he hated it and was a huge baby about running it in LA because he wants to play in the post. The Rockets will run a ton of pick and roll. How does Howard feel about that? Is he going to mope about it the way he did with the Lakers?
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:08 PM   #326
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Do they only play basketball on one end of the court? They needed a defensive minded big to make up for the types of perimeter players they wanted to put on the floor (not to mention those specific perimeter players aren't particularly good shooters).

Asik is ok in p&r, because he gets Harden and Lin free with his picks. He's not going to do anything on a roll to the bucket, but that's fine. Those guys can either finish in the lane or kick to a shooter. Asik can crash for the offensive board.

I am going to defend the Asik signing, because I think you're wrong. Lin? Eh, I get why they did it, but not a great decision so far.
That's a fair comment, except that he's not ok in p&r, he's subpar. But if your bread and butter is the pick and roll, it doesn't make sense to have one of the main features of that offense completely incapable of doing anything off the roll. He has terrible hands and he can't get to the basket unless he has a clear path. And he can't shoot for shit, so he has to get the ball directly under the basket.

I mean, Splitter was recently signed to a $9M contract. Diaw for $5M. These guys play defense and are very good at pick and roll. Other guys can pick and pop. $8M for a guy who plays defense but is subpar as the lynchpin of a pick and roll offense... it's not a good signing to me. Unless the goal truly was to feature him as a stopgap.
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:16 PM   #327
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MWP gone. Great move.

Lakers pick top 10 and sign Melo.
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:28 PM   #328
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MWP gone. Great move.

Lakers pick top 10 and sign Melo.
Lakers pick in the lotto, but Melo is an East Coast guy,he's not going to L.A.
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I don't know why the Lakers would want Melo. He's Dominique Wilkins.
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