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Jaworski rates Chiefs QB at No. 20 among NFL starters

Jaworski rates Chiefs QB at No. 20 among NFL starters

The Kansas City Star
Former NFL quarterback-turned-broadcaster Ron Jaworski ranks new Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith No. 20 among the NFL's 32 starting quarterbacks.

That's according to Jaworski's ratings on ESPN's MediaZone site, transcribed from his three-minute daily segments dubbed "Jaws' QB Countdown" on SportsCenter and NFL Live.

Smith, of course, was acquired in a trade from San Francisco this offseason, and has yet to throw a pass in Kansas City (aside from OTAs, that is).

Here are some excerpts from Jaworski's evaluation of Smith:

“A year ago, Smith was coming off his best season in the NFL, having led the 49ers to the NFC Championship. This year, he’s the starting quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs. It was a great move by (Chiefs coach) Andy Reid to acquire Smith.

“The defining element of Smith’s play is efficiency. He executes the offense the way it’s designed, and he makes very few mistakes. Last season – for the second year in a row – he was exceptional on first down. In 2012 he led the NFL in first-down passing, with a quarterback rating of 119. Much of it came off play-action, or in the case of the 49ers, hard run-action out of base personnel. There was no better play-action quarterback last season than Smith. He had a quarterback rating of over 132.

“Smith has been outstanding out of multiple tight end personnel over the last couple of seasons. No quarterback has thrown the ball more with three tight ends on the field. You don’t see that very often in today’s NFL.

“This play was beautifully designed with all three tight ends to the same side. First, look at the impact of the run-action on the two linebackers and the safety. This was hard run-action. Then you see that Delanie Walker’s vertical route occupied the corner. That left Vernon Davis matched on a safety, a safety that initially reacted to run. He had no chance on Davis’ wheel route.

“One area Smith improved in 2012 was in the pre-snap phase of the game. He was much better at the line of scrimmage checking and audibling.

“It will be interesting to see what Andy Reid does in Kansas City. Don’t be surprised if he turns Smith loose a little bit and features an up-tempo offense with an emphasis on quick throws. Remember, Alex Smith played for Urban Meyer at Utah.”

Other QB's that Jaworski has analyzed so far:

No. 32 Matt Flynn

No. 31 Jake Locker

No. 30 Kevin Kolb

No. 29 Chad Henne

No. 28 Mark Sanchez

No. 27 Christian Ponder

No. 26 Brandon Weeden

No. 25 Michael Vick

No. 24 Ryan Tannehill

No. 23 Carson Palmer

No. 22 Sam Bradford

No. 21 Josh Freeman
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:47 AM   #166
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Nope, YOU CLAIM KC HAS MORE TALENT THAN DENVER. Good lord you're a friggen moron. All I did was say BS.

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Old 07-07-2013, 08:48 AM   #167
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This is what I'm saying. Apparently a RunKC can't read. Not only are his football takes pathetic, he has issues reading.
I don't agree with the homeristic arguments for the Chiefs here, but at the end of the day, I don't give a rat's ass about the regular season.

Peyton Manning is 37 years old, and only 4 QBs over the age of 33 have won a SbS.
Combined with the fact that Manning's postseason choking is almost lengendary' I can only hope you enjoy the season ending heartbreak.
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:50 AM   #168
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:53 AM   #169
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I don't agree with the homeristic arguments for the Chiefs here, but at the end of the day, I don't give a rat's ass about the regular season.

Peyton Manning is 37 years old, and only 4 QBs over the age of 33 have won a SbS. Combined with the fact that Manning's postseason choking is almost lengendary' I can only hope you enjoy the season ending heartbreak.
I guess we will have to wait and see. Manning does have a Lombardi but he's set the bar so high that now everyone thinks he needs 2-3 Lombardi's to prove his greatness? That's a nice problem to have IMHO. I'm glad he's a Bronco.
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:59 AM   #170
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Really? What do you think about 2011? When the Rams had the most players on I.R(not exaggerating) for a team since 2002? What if that happens again?
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I guess we will have to wait and see. Manning does have a Lombardi but he's set the bar so high that now everyone thinks he needs 2-3 Lombardi's to prove his greatness? That's a nice problem to have IMHO. I'm glad he's a Bronco.
Carried by his team, who stepped up big time in spite of Manning tryong to throw away games against inferior teams.
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:10 AM   #173
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I think most of the reasonable guys who are anti-Alex Smith trade have a stance that is different than this.

Basically, that a shot a mediocrity with Alex Smith in 2013 and 2014 is less desirable than taking a shot with a QB who can potentially be better than 15-22nd best in the NFL.

Disliking the price given up for Alex Smith is not just about passing on a QB in Rnds. 1, 2, 3 in this year's draft. It's also about how much more difficult it will make it to acquire a QB early in next year's draft.

Not in position to take the guy you want because your team went 7-9 or 8-8, Andy Reid? Good luck moving up for that QB without your 2nd/3rd round pick.

That's not to mention the fear the Chiefs will commit to Alex Smith long-term before he proves he can be more than an average game manager that can't win playoff games (unless he's playing the 31st D in the NFL).
I guess my expectations are a little higher than yours.

We have a starting NFL QB who was 13-3 two seasons ago, and had his team on pace for something similar last season at 6-2 before suffering a concussion.

I'm not expecting 7-9 or 8-8 as the ceiling for this team. Not by a long shot.

Sure, Smith was not great out of the gate as an NFL QB. But the last two season he completed 64% of his passes for 30 TD's and 10 INT's.

In the playoffs, he out dueled the best QB in the league that season in Brees, who threw for almost 5,500 yards, in a great 4th quarter. Smith made plays when he had to. Not once, but twice. 3 TD's and 0 INT's in that game on 42 passing attempts.

Against the Giants, he had his team in position to win, but didn't. We have been through reasons why many times. I tend to side with the muffed punts being the reason, but that is JMO. For the record, 2 TD's, 0 INT's.

I don't think it is being unreasonable to expect our team to compete for championships... starting this season.

And sure, I would like to have a drafted QB we can call our own like the 3 teams last season, but that doesn't guarantee Super Bowl. Look at Dan Marino. Super Bowl 2nd season, never made it back. The 49ers may never make it back under Kaep's watch. Time will tell.

In the mean time, I expect more this season than 7-9 to 8-8.
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Carried by his team, who stepped up big time in spite of Manning tryong to throw away games against inferior teams.


Inferior teams like the NE patriots?
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I guess my expectations are a little higher than yours.

We have a starting NFL QB who was 13-3 two seasons ago, and had his team on pace for something similar last season at 6-2 before suffering a concussion.

I'm not expecting 7-9 or 8-8 as the ceiling for this team. Not by a long shot.

Sure, Smith was not great out of the gate as an NFL QB. But the last two season he completed 64% of his passes for 30 TD's and 10 INT's.

In the playoffs, he out dueled the best QB in the league that season in Brees, who threw for almost 5,500 yards, in a great 4th quarter. Smith made plays when he had to. Not once, but twice. 3 TD's and 0 INT's in that game on 42 passing attempts.

Against the Giants, he had his team in position to win, but didn't. We have been through reasons why many times. I tend to side with the muffed punts being the reason, but that is JMO. For the record, 2 TD's, 0 INT's.

I don't think it is being unreasonable to expect our team to compete for championships... starting this season.

And sure, I would like to have a drafted QB we can call our own like the 3 teams last season, but that doesn't guarantee Super Bowl. Look at Dan Marino. Super Bowl 2nd season, never made it back. The 49ers may never make it back under Kaep's watch. Time will tell.

In the mean time, I expect more this season than 7-9 to 8-8.
I don't think the 49ers defense is walking through that door. Smith has similar offensive weapons to what he had in San Fancisco (though I don't think KC has a pass catcher who presents the pass catching matchup problems that Vernon Davis does), but the D that carried Smith is not here.

I will not put the same stock in that Saints win that you do. The saints d was terrible, and smiths performance against it was average against that team for the year.

His performance is a big part of why they lost the next game.

I can see 5-6 more wins this year. But even if they win 8 more, that's still likely nothing more than another empty playoff birth. Not worth the price.
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If that's the type of owner Clark Hunt is... he can go fist himself. Seriously.

I have suspicions that's the case. That selling "being competitive" and filling Arrowhead is more important to Clark than actually trying to win a championship. There's evidence to suggest otherwise, but it isn't overwhelming.

There are a lot of owners in pro sports who are trying to win championships first. Mark Cuban. Robert Kraft. Jerry Buss. Some of the better examples. If an NFL owner is not in that crowd, considering the even playing field and salary cap and 100 percent shared TV revenue, that guy is an a$$.

If Clark proves to be that type of guy.... I can do without the Chiefs in my life. I hope that isn't the case... but if you're not trying to build towards a championship in the NFL, what the eff is wrong with you?

Clear fact of the matter is that it is nearly impossible to win big in today's NFL WITHOUT the big-time QB. And that you won't CONSISTENTLY win big in today's NFL without that guy. Yet the Chiefs continue to avoid taking shots at the position at all. That is what is so infuriating to so many of us.

Now, maybe they draft a QB in the next draft they think can be the guy. Maybe they're high enough to nab a guy who can be a consistent front-line performer at the position. Drafting a guy in Round 4, 5 or 6 doesn't count. Signing a shithead UDFA like Tyler Bray doesn't count either.

Now, if they take that QB high next year and promptly sever ties with Alex Smith, the argument is over. Maybe that's the plan (though the price they paid for Alex Smith makes is less likely to succeed). But I have seen little and heard little - especially from hearing Clark Hunt talk about the QB position - to suggest otherwise. Everything I've seen and heard indicates they're hitching their wagon to Alex Smith for more than two years.

There might not have been a QB in the draft who could start right away. There might not have been an Andrew Luck ready-made NFL starter. But that wasn't the only option available. Also on the table: Sign a stop-gap FA QB who is better than Cassel, or trade for a cheaper QB who is better than Cassel, and draft a QB who can be developed a little in Rnds. 2, 3.

Instead, they pulled the same approach they've been pulling my entire life. Please don't be surprised if I and many others are skeptical it will work THIS time, or that it was even the right thing to do THIS time.
Well what evidence have you ever seen that was more than lip service from Clark.

This offseason was all about getting back some respectability. It was not about trying to win it all. They went out and signed a head coach that is respected league wide. We went out and got a QB that was a 1.1 pick as well as recently in the NFCCG and a SB where he was replaced because of injury which is not suppose to happen.
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I don't think the 49ers defense is walking through that door. Smith has similar offensive weapons to what he had in San Fancisco (though I don't think KC has a pass catcher who presents the pass catching matchup problems that Vernon Davis does), but the D that carried Smith is not here.

I will not put the same stock in that Saints win that you do. The saints d was terrible, and smiths performance against it was average against that team for the year.

His performance is a big part of why they lost the next game.

I can see 5-6 more wins this year. But even if they win 8 more, that's still likely nothing more than another empty playoff birth. Not worth the price.
Fair enough. You are entitled to your opinion. I just don't happen to agree.

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Well what evidence have you ever seen that was more than lip service from Clark.

This offseason was all about getting back some respectability. It was not about trying to win it all. They went out and signed a head coach that is respected league wide. We went out and got a QB that was a 1.1 pick as well as recently in the NFCCG and a SB where he was replaced because of injury which is not suppose to happen.
Not losing your job because of injury is one of the dumbest unspoken rules ever.

You don't lose the job as the result of injury.
You lose the job because the guy that replaces you shows he's a better player.
The injury just provides the opportunity that he would not have been given otherwise.
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I don't think the 49ers defense is walking through that door. Smith has similar offensive weapons to what he had in San Fancisco (though I don't think KC has a pass catcher who presents the pass catching matchup problems that Vernon Davis does), but the D that carried Smith is not here.

I will not put the same stock in that Saints win that you do. The saints d was terrible, and smiths performance against it was average against that tea'm for the year.

His performance is a big part of why they lost the next game.

I can see 5-6 more wins this year. But even if they win 8 more, that's still likely nothing more than another empty playoff birth. Not worth the price.
Yea I can see how a guy playing the best football of his career leading the league in efficiency and YPA is getting carried by the defense.

Makes sense to me. That defense was completing the passes right?
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