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Old 07-06-2013, 01:51 AM  
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****Official UFC 162: Silva vs. Weidman Thread****

Unfortunately, I won't be doing pbp (for the few that enjoy it). I think this is a decent card but only worth buying because of Anderson. If you can, check out Edwin Barboza on the prelims.
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:15 PM   #121
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Hard not to be "solid" when the other guy is willingly letting you hit him and putting himself against the cage in the first round telling him to try again like its a sparring match.

I on the other hand find it hard to believe the amount of credit you are giving Weidman. The guy was scared to play his game and got a lucky flail shot to the chin of a cocky pos just standing there trying to be Neo.
No.

What exactly is it that Weidman did or did not do that could possibly justify a lack of credit? He wasn't scared of shit. He knows his strengths, is presumably in touch with his weaknesses, knows Silva's strengths, knows Silva's tendencies and was probably a bit more in touch than those who have fought Silva in the past as to what Silva's vulnerabilities (however minimal they may be) are....and he fought accordingly and succeeded.

Weidman, although lighter, is a younger, more polished version of Couture. I believe he will ultimately be more successful than Couture when all is said and done for; a.) he is younger than Couture was when he started getting into MMA, b.) he has a better "strike" defense, c.) he has quicker offensive strikes, d.) he has quicker, smoother follow through in his offense and e.) he has quicker counter punches and counter-to-counter punches.

Weidman is a tough freaking dude and unfortunately it appears that it may take about as long for him to get that through certain people's thick craniums as it took for Couture to do so. I couldn't believe how long it took Couture to prove himself as being legit badass motor-scooter.

I would take Weidman over Silva 8 times out of 10. Weidman is the new wave. The primarily Jiu-Jitsu fighters are going to begin dwindling (unless they have a vast wrestling background). Considering RPW (Real Pro Wrestling) never took off, wrestlers are going to be financially compensated for their unbelievable lifelong dedication via UFC. The UFC is going to be completely infested with and dominated by NCAA D1 caliber wrestlers....for once they've hit that level in their wrestling skills, the rest will be easier for them to figure out, for in the words of Dan Gable, "wrestling makes everything else in life easier." And it's true. However, if someone has a Jiu-Jitsu or whatever background, it's going to take them a bit longer to figure wrestling out to the level they need to be at in order to be competitive.

Just wait until when and if these Russians begin swarming the UFC in packs. When and if that ever happens, that will when we will be witnessing the greatest MMA the planet can produce.

Sidenote: Johnny Hendricks....I feel a bit hesitant to say this because you never know with these slimy, boring, snake in the grass type submission fighters, but I believe IF Hendricks is able to improve his conditioning a bit, he will defeat GSP.
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:16 PM   #122
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That's actually a very interesting observation. I still maintain, though, that Anderson had a gameplan and was sticking to it. The taunting was probably very calculated and, I think, was meant to be a trap to lure Weidman into a knock out counter. Anderson knew he wouldn't be able to stop Weidman's takedowns so he was enticing Weidman to swing away instead. Nobody is better at striking than Anderson, he simply went too far with it and got caught by Weidman.

Also, I think people are vastly underrating Weidman's abilities. Dude is the next gen of fighters.
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What do I have to be butthurt about? You were the one insinuating that Silva doesn't go down to someone just sticking his arm out and got hit by a hulk-like smash.

Silva's cocky, got clipped in the wrong spot, went down. The End. There was no domination from Weidman, like some are suggesting. It was a shallow win for Weidman, brought on by Silva's cockiness. You can sit there and say it's some gameplan by Silva, and maybe it is, but you can't tell me that when he's training for a fight he's being coached to have his arms down and let the other guy hit him and to put yourself against the cage and let the other guy get position.
When you engage in a combat sport, you can usually tell within the first 10-20 seconds how well you are going to size up against someone.

With that said, people are insinuating that Silva "got cocky" because he felt he saw Weidman's best and was confident that he could get away with it. I think that's bullshit. If anything, he show-boated with intentions of using his own show-boating as an excuse for getting his ass kicked, if it ended up happening...and I think Silva caught on relatively quickly that the possibility of that happening was a very, very legit one....so the show-boating was in absolute excess and look what happens...he lost, yet the vast majority of spectators are calling it a "fluke" because they believe he lost due to show-boating.

After being taken down and struck repeatedly by Weidman in the first, Silva knew he didn't want to be there again. He felt it. That's why he was so efficient and determined to counter the takedown attempt in the 2nd. And while it probably wasn't in Weidman's best interests to go strike for strike, toe to toe with Silva...Weidman was a lot better off there than Silva was on the ground with Weidman.

And I thought Weidman rocked Silva while they were on the ground than many people may have thought.
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Rico hadn't ever seen Silva fight.

Or should have paid more attention.
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:24 PM   #125
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What exactly is it that Weidman did or did not do that could possibly justify a lack of credit? He wasn't scared of shit. He knows his strengths, is presumably in touch with his weaknesses, knows Silva's strengths, knows Silva's tendencies and was probably a bit more in touch than those who have fought Silva in the past as to what Silva's vulnerabilities (however minimal they may be) are....and he fought accordingly and succeeded.
Guess we'll have to agree that we were watching two entirely different fights. He fought a guy who wasn't fighting him... WOOOOOOOOOOW!!! Dominated that ass Weidman!
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Nah. He's right. Silva was showboating for the very first time and was just doing it because he knew that he had no shot against Weidman and was just doing it to use as an excuse after he got his ass kicked...
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Yes....I have. And I don't like him. And I think he's over-rated. And I've watched the fight probably 10 times. And I've done my own share of dabbling in MMA myself. Decades of experience in wrestling, a half a decade or so of experience in boxing and dabbling here and there with TKD/Jiu-Jitsu. I was paying very close attention and I knew what I was watching.

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Guess we'll have to agree that we were watching two entirely different fights. He fought a guy who wasn't fighting him... WOOOOOOOOOOW!!! Dominated that ass Weidman!
Gee, why might that be?
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Gee, why might that be?
Obviously because he knew he had no chance. It's clear as day! I mean... it's right there, the writing was on the wall! He's never acted like that before! EVER!
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Nah. He's right. Silva was showboating for the very first time and was just doing it because he knew that he had no shot against Weidman and was just doing it to use as an excuse after he got his ass kicked...
You don't think this happens? Mind games run rampant in combat sports.
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Obviously because he knew he had no chance. It's clear as day! I mean... it's right there, the writing was on the wall! He's never acted like that before! EVER!
Dude, I know the ****ing guy showboats. I acknowledged that. I thought last night was excessive for him though...to the point of it being weird.
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You don't think this happens? Mind games run rampant in combat sports.
He wasn't playing a mind game though. He was conceding to the almighty Weidman.
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Dude, I know the ****ing guy showboats. I acknowledged that. I thought last night was excessive for him though...to the point of it being weird.
Ya it was almost like he was fighting Bonnar and put himself against the cage like 5 times in a row!
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Yup.

Congrats to Weidman but that fight isn't truly indicative of what likely happens. Still crazy to me that shot dropped him. That might be the true indicator that Anderson's time is up. Guy took flush shots from Hendo, Rivera, Franklin, and Chael that looked like they had much more explosion/power.
Somewhat irrelevant boxing note: I remember thinking that when Foreman dropped Michael Moorer.
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He wasn't playing a mind game though. He was conceding to the almighty Weidman.
Weidman > Silva.
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You don't think this happens? Mind games run rampant in combat sports.
He has fought that way for at least five fights.

I know a little about mma also. Hell I think I've got a couple of his pride fights on DVD downstairs that I taped while watching live.

He wasn't scared. Which is what you are insinuating
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