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Old 07-06-2013, 01:02 PM  
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"Obesity is a disease not a decision"

This is a new campaign that the American Medical Association actually declared obesity a disease! Billboards with this phrase are popping up around the country.

I've worked out for 10 years straight and I definitely sacrifice eating shit food even though I enjoy it just as much as the next guy. THIS IS A DECISION I HAVE CONSCIOUSLY MADE.

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/da...n-disease.html

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Old 07-09-2013, 10:30 PM   #331
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Yeah, **** that shit. Think I would have quit right about then.
Honestly, the weight lifting at 5am throughout the year was the worst for me mentally. Sure, there were days were you'd break mentally on runs or conditioning but never in my life did I just hate everything on the planet as much as that.
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:31 PM   #332
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Sorry but you are conflating two different things. Obesity can be a choice and still be a disease. If a smoker gets lung cancer, is it not a disease in their case because they chose to smoke? Does someone who tans everyday and gets skin cancer not have a disease? Why is Type 2 Diabetes, which is the result of obesity, a disease but obesity isn't?

I don't know whether obesity should be classified as a disease or not, I just think your argument is horseshit.
obesity may have a genetic disposition, but it is also a learned response
not over eating , but bad eating is what I would think is usual
cause I suck at that
veggies? do pickles count?
I can afford protein, vegetables and fruit are luxury items, beer , and smokes are a necessity
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:34 PM   #333
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obesity may have a genetic disposition, but it is also a learned response
not over eating , but bad eating is what I would think is usual
cause I suck at that
veggies? do pickles count?
I can afford protein, vegetables and fruit are luxury items, beer , and smokes are a necessity
I think overeating is an American thing that can probabpy be attributed to plate/dish size. Also, quite a few Americans are told since they were little to "finish their plates" and "don't waste food"
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:09 AM   #334
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I drink coffee, water, tea and beer on weekends.

Soda is like crack to some people though.
I drink mostly water, but do like to cut gatorade with gingerale after a long ride. There's just something about carbonation that I really did. I like tea a lot, but haven't made any in a while. Should do that. Only other thing I drink is almond milk, as part of carnation instant breakfast before my rare early am rides.
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Old 07-10-2013, 06:22 AM   #335
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I'm quite tired of this stupid ass excuse.

Buy a 50 lb bag of dry beans.

Buy a 50 lb bag of dry rice.

Buy a large container of whole oats.

Base your meals around these.

Use the extra money to purchase vegetables as needed.

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Old 07-10-2013, 07:21 AM   #336
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I think overeating is an American thing that can probabpy be attributed to plate/dish size. Also, quite a few Americans are told since they were little to "finish their plates" and "don't waste food"
My mother-in-law was raised by parents that barely survived the Great Depression and she can't throw away food. It is so ingrained that I have seen her in the kitchen after dinner finishing off all the leftovers where there isn't really enough to save (spoonful of corn or half a potato, things like that). I try to tell her that it's like she's making herself a human garbage disposal but that mindset is too strong.

When she visits and helps my wife clean up after dinner, she saves the weirdest stuff, like the juice from canned peaches. We end up tossing most of it after she leaves.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:31 AM   #337
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If obesity is a disease, I'm working in Calcutta. Seriously, we got a coffee/pastry food truck outside, a breakfast vendor on site, and differing lunch vendosr/food trucks arriving throughout the day. Yesterday KFC was onsite and people were acting like Shroud's was in the breakroom pan frying up chicken, it was like they never heard of KFC before. It's an all day operation of shit food. It's 8:30 am and the food consumption planning conversations are already firing up.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:33 AM   #338
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Well, at least I don't have to ever worry about being overweight. Let alone obese. I imagine that would suck, like having herpes or cancer.
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:16 AM   #339
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Pretty much every dietitian in the world thinks you're wrong. And my personal experience backs them.
I really don't think that's true anymore. You would read that several years ago, but I rarely see it anymore. Eating several small meals is a strategy that works for some because it keeps them from getting hungry and eating a ton of junk food. It works for some because it keeps their calories low, not because it speeds up their metabolism.
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:19 AM   #340
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I drink coffee, water, tea and beer on weekends.

Soda is like crack to some people though.
This is what I do. I used to drink a TON of soda every day. I just stopped one day as an experiment and it was much easier than I thought it would be. The thought of drinking soda now seems crazy to me. I don't want it at all.
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:43 AM   #341
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I really don't think that's true anymore. You would read that several years ago, but I rarely see it anymore. Eating several small meals is a strategy that works for some because it keeps them from getting hungry and eating a ton of junk food. It works for some because it keeps their calories low, not because it speeds up their metabolism.
It's possible. I've visited a dietitian in the past year, and she recommended it for me. On a personal experience level, when I was struggling (still am) and bought into the "eat less" mantra, for more than a month I ate between 500 and 800 calories a day, generally in one or two meals. And I was strictly weighing, measuring, and documenting every gram of food that I "stuffed" in my face. And over the course of that time, I lost 1 pound. The dietitian said my body was in starvation mode, so it was holding onto everything it could.

It's been very difficult. And when I talked with my doctor about it, frankly, he didn't believe me. He said "eat less."

So... I disagree that it isn't just as easy as calories in vs. calories out. Maybe it's just me, but that's my personal experience.
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:54 AM   #342
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I think overeating is an American thing that can probabpy be attributed to plate/dish size. Also, quite a few Americans are told since they were little to "finish their plates" and "don't waste food"
What's funny is I can pin point the exact moment when I became fat. My Dad was in the Air Force and got orders to Japan. He went there before us for 6 months to get everything set up. During that time.....my Mom, brother and I went to live with my Grandparents on their farm. My Grandma would not let you leave the table until you ate everything on your plate.....and she would make us WHATEVER we wanted. My Dad said that when we got off the plane in Japan....he didn't recognize me because I had gained so much weight...and I was only 8. It's been a ****ing battle ever since.
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What's funny is I can pin point the exact moment when I became fat. My Dad was in the Air Force and got orders to Japan. He went there before us for 6 months to get everything set up. During that time.....my Mom, brother and I went to live with my Grandparents on their farm. My Grandma would not let you leave the table until you ate everything on your plate.....and she would make us WHATEVER we wanted. My Dad said that when we got off the plane in Japan....he didn't recognize me because I had gained so much weight...and I was only 8. It's been a ****ing battle ever since.
The same thing with my parents on our farm, except I had to work my ****ing ass off at that age.
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It's possible. I've visited a dietitian in the past year, and she recommended it for me. On a personal experience level, when I was struggling (still am) and bought into the "eat less" mantra, for more than a month I ate between 500 and 800 calories a day, generally in one or two meals. And I was strictly weighing, measuring, and documenting every gram of food that I "stuffed" in my face. And over the course of that time, I lost 1 pound. The dietitian said my body was in starvation mode, so it was holding onto everything it could.

It's been very difficult. And when I talked with my doctor about it, frankly, he didn't believe me. He said "eat less."

So... I disagree that it isn't just as easy as calories in vs. calories out. Maybe it's just me, but that's my personal experience.

I'm with your doctor. I have a really hard time believing this. It's not that I don't believe you... I just don't see how this is even possible. Your dietitian's explanation also makes no sense, as you'd lose weight in "starvation mode" as s/he terms it.
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I'm with your doctor. I have a really hard time believing this. It's not that I don't believe you... I just don't see how this is even possible. Your dietitian's explanation also makes no sense, as you'd lose weight in "starvation mode" as s/he terms it.
A person in a coma would lose weight on that diet.


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