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Old 07-07-2013, 03:32 PM  
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Open Door for Fraud. ObamaCare Will just trust you to be honest

The recent delay in implementation of a big piece of ObamaCare was just the beginning.....Now, there will be no check to see who is naughty and who is nice. Bottomline, taxpayers will take it in the ass even more.

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HHS Gives Up On Obamacare’s Anti-Fraud Measures, Will Allow People Looking For Health Care Subsidies To Self-Report Their Income With No Verification…


One of the biggest administrative hurdles facing Obamacare was the ambitious plan to verify the income and insurance status of applicants for federal health coverage subsidies. In theory, on Oct. 1 of this year, a prospective beneficiary of Obamacare was supposed to be able to visit a website like Orbitz, enter basic information, and wait as multiple state and federal government databases communicated with one another to confirm in real time the applicant’s income level, and then display the level of subsidy to which the applicant was entitled, if any. It was a level of technological sophistication unlike anything ever attempted by the government. Now, with less than three months to go before Obamacare’s health insurance exchanges are set to begin enrolling applicants, Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services is throwing up its hands. Just as it did with the employer mandate, the administration has announced it would delay the implementation of these anti-fraud procedures due to the administrative difficulty.

In a regulation released Friday and flagged by Washington Post reporters Sarah Kliff and Sandhya Somashekhar, the administration will now rely on self-reported data. You read that correctly. A man who earns $50,000 per year and gets insurance through his employer could log on to the new government website and say he earns $20,000 and gets no insurance through his employer, and the government would not even attempt to confirm that the information is accurate before forking over generous taxpayer subsidies. It’s a recipe for rampant fraud, which is already widespread in Medicare and Medicaid.

According to the rule as reported by Kliff and Somashekhar, “The exchange may accept the applicant’s attestation regarding enrollment in eligible employer-sponsored plan . . . without further verification” and “the Exchange may accept the attestation of projected annual household income without further verification.”
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Old 07-07-2013, 03:53 PM   #2
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Assuming this report is true, this is beyond ludicrous.
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Old 07-07-2013, 04:01 PM   #3
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Assuming this report is true, this is beyond ludicrous.
Seems legit, until 2015 anyway.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...080_story.html

I'm sure once it's implemented Obama will figure out the little details.

Oh wait, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are all ****ing morons. Never mind.
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Old 07-07-2013, 04:04 PM   #4
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Old 07-07-2013, 04:05 PM   #5
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:43 AM   #6
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gotta hand it to them. They created a monster of epic proportion
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:08 PM   #7
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For anyone who reads this and gets the bright idea to misreport their income, don't be a fool. There are still audits. Its only an "honor system" to the extent that the entire income tax system is an honor system, only less so.
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:13 PM   #8
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For anyone who reads this and gets the bright idea to misreport their income, don't be a fool. There are still audits. Its only an "honor system" to the extent that the entire income tax system is an honor system, only less so.


That should keep everything on the up and up....sucker
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:17 PM   #9
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That should keep everything on the up and up....sucker
Just pointing out to anyone reading this article that the exchange info is much more seriously verified than income tax info. Unless you are very comfortable lying on your taxes, I wouldn't do it here.
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:20 PM   #10
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The anti-fraud measures will be there....the computer program to give the data to the websites is delayed....

Can you even read your own article or should your name be 'DIShonest'

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the administration has announced it would delay the implementation of these anti-fraud procedures
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:22 PM   #11
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For anyone who reads this and gets the bright idea to misreport their income, don't be a fool. There are still audits. Its only an "honor system" to the extent that the entire income tax system is an honor system, only less so.
Exactly. You can't stop other people from being dishonest, but you sure as heck can account for yourself
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:25 PM   #12
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This is also only for year 1, hence the word "delay". Every year after this 100% of people with income discrepancies will be audited, and if they find out you lied in year 1, they will get that money back plus a penalty, so don't get any big ideas for those of you using the exchanges.
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This is also only for year 1, hence the word "delay". Every year after this 100% of people with income discrepancies will be audited, and if they find out you lied in year 1, they will get that money back plus a penalty, so don't get any big ideas for those of you using the exchanges.
But I was told Obamacare's IRS goons have no enforcement powers on the individual. So other than holding back people's refunds... how do they intend to collect?
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But I was told Obamacare's IRS goons have no enforcement powers on the individual. So other than holding back people's refunds... how do they intend to collect?


the plot thickens.....
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Old 07-08-2013, 04:20 PM   #15
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But I was told Obamacare's IRS goons have no enforcement powers on the individual. So other than holding back people's refunds... how do they intend to collect?
You are confusing this with mandate penalty, this is about people applying for subsidies on the exchanges. Seems pretty straightforward for them.
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