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Old 07-08-2013, 02:52 PM  
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Have you ever used steroids, HGH, etc.?

Just curious to see who uses or has used these types of products and what your experiences were.

Did you have a specific reason for using them?

Did they work?

Did you experience any side effects?
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:13 PM   #151
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I've dabbled with low dose test cycles throughout college football as well as through playing minor league ball for a couple years. Had no issues whatsoever other than a slight breeze will give you an erection.
The major risk of T is shutting messing up your HPTA for life. A lot of kids and adults for that matter take it and have no idea what the proper Post Cycle Therapy protocol is. If you are educated and do what Loochy did and researched for 2 years so you know what you are doing it's pretty safe.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:14 PM   #152
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I find that most guys do it for themselves and could give a shit what other people think. Some actually don't like the attention it draws.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:14 PM   #153
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What? Medical Marijuana isn't legal in Cali? Then why are there dispensaries all over Hollywood? I can grab some Snoop Lion and be back home in 10 minutes. I have four Snoop Lion pot brownies in my pantry.

Illegal?
Yes. It's still illegal. State laws don't trump federal laws.

Overland Park Kansas can't make pirating movies legal.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:15 PM   #154
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How emotionally frail must you be that you feel the need to elevate every discussion into a fist fight?
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:15 PM   #155
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Using testosterone because you have a chemical imbalance that leads to Low T is altogether different than using it because you want to fill out your clothes better.
I understand what you are saying, but if it makes someone happy and they know what they are doing than who cares?
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:15 PM   #156
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I find that most guys do it for themselves and could give a shit what other people think. Some actually don't like the attention it draws.
If they measure their self worth by their size they have some serious issues. Would you want your daughter's self esteem to be tied to the size of her boobs?
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:16 PM   #157
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I said "some" and that's usually the younger kids. The guys in my gym that compete are older (mid to late 40's) and one never works out in anything but a long sleeved sweat shirt.
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Yes. It's still illegal. State laws don't trump federal laws.

Overland Park Kansas can't make pirating movies legal.
The Feds, movie studios, etc. shut down servers all over the world on a daily basis. Criminals are prosecuted for illegal downloading and piracy. There are ongoing, active investigations on a daily basis.

Why haven't the Feds shut down medical dispensaries?

Your logic is flawed, as usual.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:18 PM   #159
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If they measure their self worth by their size they have some serious issues. Would you want your daughter's self esteem to be tied to the size of her boobs?
Good God, NO.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:18 PM   #160
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If they measure their self worth by their size they have some serious issues. Would you want your daughter's self esteem to be tied to the size of her boobs?
You're too smart to argue in bizarre absolutes.

Vanity exists. It's why people buy nice clothes, wear deodorant, comb their hair, get braces, lift weights, tuck in their shirt, use napkins, etc.

That doesn't mean that their self worth is tied to these things.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:18 PM   #161
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I understand what you are saying, but if it makes someone happy and they know what they are doing than who cares?
I'm not a big fan of it because it's an example of the perversion of an ideal body image that exists in this society. We set up avatars of perfection that are not attainable without cosmetic surgery, digital enhancement, and supplementation with products with potentially lethal side effects. Then we wonder why so many people hate the way they look.

It's ****ed up.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:19 PM   #162
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If they measure their self worth by their size they have some serious issues. Would you want your daughter's self esteem to be tied to the size of her boobs?
Yes. If she is self conscious because she is an A cup and that can be fixed than I would have no problem. Just as if she was self conscious because of acne than I'm buying some Accutane for her.
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You're too smart to argue in bizarre absolutes.

Vanity exists. It's why people buy nice clothes, wear deodorant, comb their hair, get braces, lift weights, tuck in their shirt, use napkins, etc.

That doesn't mean that their self worth is tied to these things.
ITT: A guy talking about how testosterone made him feel like a better husband, father, and person.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:21 PM   #164
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The Feds, movie studios, etc. shut down servers all over the world on a daily basis. Criminals are prosecuted for illegal downloading and piracy. There are ongoing, active investigations on a daily basis.

Why haven't the Feds shut down medical dispensaries?

Your logic is flawed, as usual.
The feds don't actively prosecute every crime. It's not feasible. Doesn't make it any more legal. Are you under the impression that all laws are enforced equally?
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Yes. If she is self conscious because she is an A cup and that can be fixed than I would have no problem. Just as if she was self conscious because of acne than I'm buying some Accutane for her.
Would you love her more afterwards?

If not, why do you think your size would affect how much she loves you?
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