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Old 07-09-2013, 12:00 PM  
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The climate of the past decade. Anybody want to guess where it ranks historically?

Did you guess warmest since we've recorded it? Because you're right.

According to the World Meteorological Association's recent report on the past decade's climate.

Here's the forward/summary.



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We haven't had a climate brouhaha in a while.

What's our line these days, conservatives?

We believe climate change exists, right? Do we agree that humans are the preeminent cause?

Do you have any ideas you personally subscribe to as to what can/should be done?
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:03 PM   #2
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Do you have any ideas you personally subscribe to as to what can/should be done?
humans are the problem. carbon tax + abortion booths every few blocks!
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:05 PM   #3
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humans are the problem.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not -- droves of conservatives deny that humans are the source of the incredible climate change we've seen in the past generation.

If you are being serious -- and who knows, maybe you are -- are there policy ideas you subscribe to that you believe should be enacted to respond to it?
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:05 PM   #4
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:08 PM   #5
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Who says anything "should be done about it"?
I'm going to assume you believe climate change exists.

Do you agree that humans are the preeminent cause?

Do you believe there are potentially negative consequences to it? How bad do you perceive those consequences to be.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:08 PM   #6
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:10 PM   #7
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I'm going to assume you believe climate change exists.

Do you agree that humans are the preeminent cause?

Do you believe there are potentially negative consequences to it? How bad do you perceive those consequences to be.


I'll assume you know illegal immigration exists.

Do you agree big business is the preeminent cause?

Do you believe there are potentially negative consequences to it? How bad do you perceive those consequences to be.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:11 PM   #8
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The hottest in 150 years!?!?! Oh noes! What have we done!!!???!!!!. Kind of a small sample there man. A drop in the bucket of the Earths climate history.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:11 PM   #9
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I'll assume you know illegal immigration exists.

Do you agree big business is the preeminent cause?

Do you believe there are potentially negative consequences to it? How bad do you perceive those consequences to be.
If you want to start a thread on immigration, I'm there.

I'm asking if you agree climate change exists, for starters.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:12 PM   #10
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The hottest in 150 years!?!?! Oh noes! What have we done!!!???!!!!. Kind of a small sample there man. A drop in the bucket of the Earths climate history.
Do you believe climate change is occurring right now?

Do you agree that humans are the preeminent cause?
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:16 PM   #11
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Notice a pattern here? The earths climate is cyclical. It gets hotter and colder constantly. Well before man ever existed. Quit crying about the falling sky henny penny. It will cool off again. Then the real problems come. You are too young to have learned this in school like the adults here.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:22 PM   #13
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Notice a pattern here? The earths climate is cyclical. It gets hotter and colder constantly. Well before man ever existed. Quit crying about the falling sky henny penny. It will cool off again. Then the real problems come. You are too young to have learned this in school like the adults here.
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A common misunderstanding of the climate system characterizes it like a pendulum. The planet will warm up to "cancel out" a previous period of cooling, spurred by some internal equilibrium. This view of the climate is incorrect. Internal variability will move energy between the ocean and the atmosphere, causing short-term warming and cooling of the surface in events such as El Nino and La Nina, and longer-term changes when similar cycles operate on decadal scales. However, internal forces do not cause climate change. Appreciable changes in climate are the result of changes in the energy balance of the Earth, which requires "external" forcings, such as changes in solar output, albedo, and atmospheric greenhouse gases. These forcings can be cyclical, as they are in the ice ages, but they can come in different shapes entirely.

For this reason, "it's just a natural cycle" is a bit of a cop-out argument. The Earth doesn't warm up because it feels like it. It warms up because something forces it to. Scientists keep track of natural forcings, but the observed warming of the planet over the second half of the 20th century can only be explained by adding in anthropogenic radiative forcings, namely increases in greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide.

Of course, it's always possible that some natural cycle exists, unknown to scientists and their instruments, that is currently causing the planet to warm. There's always a chance that we could be totally wrong. This omnipresent fact of science is called irreducible uncertainty, because it can never be entirely eliminated. However, it's very unlikely that such a cycle exists.
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For someone to state that the global warming we’re experiencing is actually part of a 1500-year natural cycle of global temperature variation is interesting for two reasons. First -- in contradiction to the great majority of sceptic arguments that actually deny global warming -- this argument requires that the person promoting this explanation must first agree that climate change is, indeed, happening.

Second, they must also refuse to accept the greenhouse effect, a theory first proposed more than 100 years ago and which even many sceptics of the human contribution to climate change, readily accept.

The 1500-year cycle in question has been observed mainly through ice core data as a warming in the northern hemisphere matched at precisely the same time by a cooling in the southern hemisphere. So it’s a heat distribution issue: a global temperature ‘see-saw’ effect. The total heat in the global system remains constant.

In contrast, human-produced global warming has been caused by the rapidly increasing CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere over the last 200 years -- rising over 390 parts per million after remaining below 300 parts per million for the previous 800,000 years. And unlike natural heat variations, the current temperature increase caused by CO2 is being recorded occurring all around the globe – on the ground, in the air and in the oceans.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:23 PM   #14
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Do you agree that humans are the preeminent cause?
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