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Old 07-09-2013, 01:00 PM  
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The climate of the past decade. Anybody want to guess where it ranks historically?

Did you guess warmest since we've recorded it? Because you're right.

According to the World Meteorological Association's recent report on the past decade's climate.

Here's the forward/summary.



The chart:



We haven't had a climate brouhaha in a while.

What's our line these days, conservatives?

We believe climate change exists, right? Do we agree that humans are the preeminent cause?

Do you have any ideas you personally subscribe to as to what can/should be done?
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:17 PM   #61
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Climate models can successfully reproduce all of earth's temperatures since 1900, based on the information that they currently have. This makes them universally recognized as reliably predictive going forward.
Then tell me why when you look at record high temperatures that many of the 30's still stand way more than recent years.

For the most part, July.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:17 PM   #62
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They can, yes.
Of course they can, exactly.

Do you deny that a century's worth of industrialization has rapidly spewed CO2 into the atmosphere?
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:18 PM   #63
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Climate models can successfully reproduce all of earth's temperatures since 1900, based on the information that they currently have. This makes them universally recognized as reliably predictive going forward.
That's not true. Creating a model to fit historical data (e.g. "predict" outcomes that you already know happened) is not the same as being reliably predictive going forward. Not only are they not universally recognized as such, anyone who does recognize them as such should have no credibility in this area of science because they either don't understand it or they're subordinating their scientific competency to their political preferences.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:18 PM   #64
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:20 PM   #65
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I'm not confident that we have enough knowledge to know the latter and it's not at all clear to me where science stops and politics begins.
97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming.

Do you believe there are potentially negative consequences to it? How bad do you perceive those consequences to be?
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:22 PM   #66
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I admit that I really don't follow this issue very closely, but I remember something a while back that basically said that predicted temperature increases over the last decade (or whatever) ended up being drastically higher than what actually happened. Is that not the case?
We're learning more and more that predictive models have underestimated how severely climate change would occur with our levels of CO2.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:23 PM   #67
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Of course they can, exactly.

Do you deny that a century's worth of industrialization has rapidly spewed CO2 into the atmosphere?
How do you define "rapidly spewed" and how do you quantify it?
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:24 PM   #68
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We're learning more and more that predictive models have underestimated how severely climate change would occur with our levels of CO2.
I'm sorry, but that doesn't answer my question.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:25 PM   #69
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Then tell me why when you look at record high temperatures that many of the 30's still stand way more than recent years.

For the most part, July.
Yeah, folks commonly point to the 1930s. But this was an American phenomenon -- climate change measures global temperatures, and America is only like 2% of the world's land. Globally, 1934 (the worst year of the decade) is the 49th hottest year on record.

And you're actually wrong -- 1934 ranks fourth behind 2012, 2006, and 1998 if you narrow it down to only America.
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97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming.
Do you agree that "climate experts" have a vested interest in promoting the concept of human-caused climate change?
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97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming.

Do you believe there are potentially negative consequences to it? How bad do you perceive those consequences to be?
If it's going on, there are probably both good and bad consequences. For example:

Good - I'm sure Canada wouldn't mind having a longer growing season.

Bad - If the seas rise too much, we might have to close Guantanamo.

Whatever the consequences, I perceive them to be unimportant in the short to medium term, especially for the US. Certainly not worth degrading our economy, our quality of life over, or our military might over. When China and India, two countries with much more to lose than us, get serious about remedial action trumping economy, etc., I'll take notice.
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Yeah, folks commonly point to the 1930s. But this was an American phenomenon -- climate change measures global temperatures, and America is only like 2% of the world's land. Globally, 1934 (the worst year of the decade) is the 49th hottest year on record.

And you're actually wrong -- 1934 ranks fourth behind 2012, 2006, and 1998 if you narrow it down to only America.
How exactly do they get an accurate average global temperature, considering the vast expanse of oceans we have?
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:36 PM   #73
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Yeah, folks commonly point to the 1930s. But this was an American phenomenon -- climate change measures global temperatures, and America is only like 2% of the world's land. Globally, 1934 (the worst year of the decade) is the 49th hottest year on record.

And you're actually wrong -- 1934 ranks fourth behind 2012, 2006, and 1998 if you narrow it down to only America.
So you're basically using data since we've kept records. And no I'm not wrong. I can go to the NWS and pull up climate archives for July and look up the record highs. The 30.s outnumber any other year or decade in there. A majority in fact.

2012, 06, and 1998 aren't even listed as one record high. Nothing in the 2000's in fact.

If anything most recent low temps are in the 2000's.

Explain that.
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How exactly do they get an accurate average global temperature, considering the vast expanse of oceans we have?
Can't wait for that BS answer on this one...
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