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Old 07-10-2013, 02:26 PM  
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NSA tapped fiber cables to collect data

WASHINGTON, July 10 (UPI) -- The National Security Agency, which collected cellphone and online data from technology companies, also tapped fiber cables, The Washington Post said Wednesday.

The newspaper said it has obtained a classified NSA slide listing "two types of collection," showing the agency had a data collection category called "Upstream" that accessed "communications on fiber cables and infrastructure as data flows past."

That was in addition to PRISM, which collects information from technology companies and has been widely reported by the Post and Britain's Guardian newspaper.

The slide does not make clear the ways in which Upstream and PRISM interact but it instructs intelligence analysts to use both methods, the Post said Wednesday.

A former judge on the secret U.S. court overseeing government surveillance requests says he was shocked by changes forcing the court to OK blanket surveillance.

The U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court "has turned into something like an administrative agency," retired U.S. District Judge James Robertson testified during a hearing of a federal oversight board, directed by President Barack Obama to examine government spying and civil liberties after rogue National Security Agency systems analyst Edward Snowden leaked significant information about the NSA's spying program.

"A judge needs to hear both sides of a case," Robertson, who served on the secret surveillance court from 2002 to 2005, told the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board in the first public hearings since Snowden's revelations.

"What FISA does is not adjudication, but approval," Robertson said, referring to the court by its shorthand moniker, after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that created it.

"This works just fine when it deals with individual applications for warrants," Robertson continued. "But the 2008 amendment has turned the FISA court into administrative agency making rules for others to follow.

"It is not the bailiwick of judges to make policy," he said.

Robertson's comments were the first significant public criticism from a current or former FISA judge. FISA judges until now mainly spoke anonymously to defend the court process, British newspaper The Guardian said.

The 11-member FISA court, created to provide legal oversight and protect against unnecessary privacy intrusions, originally focused mostly on approving case-by-case wiretapping orders.

After Congress' 2008 reform of the FISA system, the court had greater oversight of intelligence operations and was required to approve entire surveillance systems, or what Robertson called "programmatic surveillance," rather than just surveillance warrants.

This turned the court almost into a parallel Supreme Court, serving as the ultimate arbiter on surveillance issues, current and former officials familiar with the court's classified decisions told The New York Times last week.

FISA court opinions will most likely shape intelligence practices for years to come, the officials said.

Robertson testified Tuesday he was "stunned" by the Times report, which said the FISA court had created a secret body of law empowering the NSA to amass vast amounts of data on Americans while pursuing not only terrorism suspects, but also people possibly involved in espionage, cyberattacks and nuclear proliferation.

He said he was originally impressed with how "careful, fastidious and scrupulous" the court process was but said with the court's expanded role, the so-called ex parte system, in which only the federal government is allowed to make its case before the court, needed immediate reform.

"This process needs an adversary. If it's not the ACLU or Amnesty [International], perhaps the PCLOB can be that adversary," Robertson said.

Oversight board members shook their heads and rolled their eyes at the suggestion their board serve as adversary, The Guardian reported.

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Old 07-11-2013, 12:22 PM   #106
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We have a government already targeting light bulbs, toilets, washing machines and other everyday items for Americans why not your microwave—even if just to show how much it's in use. Remember there's a crusade against carbon emissions. Why wouldn't the govt want to put a chip in at least, to show when their in use?
Ah, I see you're migrating. You specifically said cameras. They take pictures and video, by the way.

If you are thinking about actual kWH usage, that's already being done. Check out Zigbee and how it is used in in demand response or other curtailment programs. Also check out AMI and the scary electric meters they use. You've almost certainly got one on the side of your home.
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:36 PM   #107
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:36 PM   #108
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From article by Dr. Mercola's ( have to be registered ) reports:
The January/February 1990 issue of Nutrition Action Newsletter reported the leakage of numerous toxic chemicals from the packaging of common microwavable foods, including pizzas, chips and popcorn. Chemicals included polyethylene terpthalate (PET), benzene, toluene, and xylene. Microwaving fatty foods in plastic containers leads to the release of dioxins (known carcinogens) and other toxins into your food. 8 2

One of the worst contaminants is BPA, or bisphenol A, an estrogen-like compound used widely in plastic products. In fact, dishes made specifically for the microwave often contain BPA, but many other plastic products contain it as well.
Dr. Magda Havas of Trent University did a study on them which was to be published in a peer reviewed paper.

I know that anything with benzene in it is toxic. And toluene (methyl benzene) to replace it has similar qualities.
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:39 PM   #109
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From article by Dr. Mercola's ( have to be registered ) reports:
The January/February 1990 issue of Nutrition Action Newsletter reported the leakage of numerous toxic chemicals from the packaging of common microwavable foods, including pizzas, chips and popcorn. Chemicals included polyethylene terpthalate (PET), benzene, toluene, and xylene. Microwaving fatty foods in plastic containers leads to the release of dioxins (known carcinogens) and other toxins into your food. 8 2

One of the worst contaminants is BPA, or bisphenol A, an estrogen-like compound used widely in plastic products. In fact, dishes made specifically for the microwave often contain BPA, but many other plastic products contain it as well.
Dr. Magda Havas of Trent University did a study on them which was to be published in a peer reviewed paper.

I know that anything with benzene in it is toxic. And toluene (methyl benzene) to replace it has similar qualities.
If ya' noticed, this is not a nutrition thread or wholistic natural health thread
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:40 PM   #110
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:44 PM   #111
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My concern for BEP's sanity got me in her fake ignore doghouse again. I see Donger is here too.
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:48 PM   #113
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NSA tapped fiber cables to collect data

If I cover my microwave with duct tape to block the cameras, am I adding to, or subtracting from the toxicity of my Hot Pocket?

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Old 07-11-2013, 12:48 PM   #114
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:51 PM   #115
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Hi Pat. Welcome. Just an FYI, but I've got the room surrounded with microwave screen to help keep the crazy out.
That's prudent. Let's party. In non-crazy ways, of course.
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:51 PM   #116
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:52 PM   #117
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So, what I'm getting from this thread about the NSA tapping fiber cables to collect data is that someone, somewhere, is spying on me & my family through use of a microwave camera.

Now, does the camera only turn on when the microwave is in use or is it in an "always on" state?
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