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NSA Talking Points On Utah Data Center: We're Teaming Up With Tech Companies To 'Prot

NSA Talking Points On Utah Data Center: We're Teaming Up With Tech Companies To 'Protect' The Internet

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Last year, well before all of the revelations concerning the NSA's surveillance program, reporter James Bamford, who has a long history of reporting on the NSA's questionable activities, revealed the details of the NSA's massive data center in Bluffdale, Utah, which it was building to host all of this information that it's been hoovering up for years. Michael Morisy, from Muckrock, used a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to get the media talking points that the NSA used upon the groundbreaking of the building. As reported in Bamford's piece, there had been a "public" groundbreaking, with press there, and Morisy wondered how the NSA framed the building's purpose when it first discussed it. And, the answer, it appears, was to play down anything having to do with the massive data collection.

The talking points play up the fact that there's so much data online, but rather than talking about how the NSA is collecting all of it, they say that they're setting up this operation to help "protect" your data. From everyone... except the NSA, of course.

DISCUSS THE FOR TAKING NATIONAL ACTION TO THE CYBERSECURITY PROBLEMS WE FACE.
US DEPENDENCE ON THE INTERNET PROBABLY GREATER THAN ANY OTHER NATION
NOT JUST MEANS OF COMMUNICATIONS BUT DATA IS THERE As WELL -- FINANCIAL DATA, DATA
CYBERSPACE CONTROLS OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE -- BANKING, ENERGY, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, UTILITIES
THREAT IS GROWING -- INFRASTRUCTURE TARGETTED FOR AND POTENTIALLY FOR DISRUPTION OR DESTRUCTION BY GROWING NUMBER OF AND ACTORS

Notice, also, how when they do discuss looking outbound, rather than just "protecting" networks, they lump it all together:

WE NEED TO USE OUR PARTNERSHIPS BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE GOVERNMENT TO INCREASE OUR KNOWLEDGE AND CAPABILITIES IN CYBERSPACE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE THREAT, AND TO BETTER RESPON TO IT.

Of course, they leave out that "the threat" is all of us in the public, and how to "better respon (sic) to it" is to collect all data everywhere.

Hell, they even go so far as to suggest that they're going out of their way, and beyond their mandate, just to "help out" all those tech companies they work with. Just to be helpful.

GOVERNMENT HAS NO LEGISLATED REQUIREMENT TO PROTECT THE DOT-COM NETWORKS. NONETHELESS, IT CANNOT BE ARGUED THAT THESE NETWORKS ARE CRITICAL TO THE DAY-TO-DAY FUNCTIONING AND OPERATING OF THE UNITED STATES, ITS GOVERNMENT, ITS BUSINESSES, AND ITS PEOPLE...

WE WOULD BE REMISS, AS PUBLIC SERVANTS, IF WE DID NOT USE THE INFORMATION WE GAIN IN PROTECTING OUR DOT-MIL AND DOT-GOV NETWORKS TO HELP TO SECURE THE DOT-COM NETWORKS AS WELL.

Yeah. And by "helping" to "secure" those networks, we actually mean "partnering" with the telcos to snarf up every bit of data that crosses those networks for our own spying efforts. And they keep going on and on about the importance of these "partnerships."

WE CANNOT DO IT ALONE -- NOR IS IT IN OUR BEST INTERESTS TO TRY. JUST AS CYBERSPACE AFFECTS EVERY ASPECT OF OUR SOCIETY, SO TOO MUST OUR EFFORTS TO SECURE CYBERSPACE MOVE BEYOND GOVERNMENT TO INCLUDE THE PRIVATE SECTOR, ACADEMIA, AND OUR GLOBAL PARTNERS.

And by "secure cyberspace," we mean "undermine the privacy of everyone" by collecting all their data. That's the part the NSA truly cannot "do alone."

I also love this one:

EMPHASIZE THAT NSA'S ROLE IN THIS IS NOT A 'MILITARIZATION' OF CYBERSPACE; TECHNICAL ADVISORY CAPACITY ONLY.

A "technical advisory capacity only" that involves on-premise systems at every major telco, hoovering up every single bit of data that crosses those systems to store for future "analysis" inside the Bluffdale center? That's just a technical advisory capacity?

But, don't worry, it's all "legal."

UNDERSCORE THAT EVERYTHING NSA DOES IN CYBERSPACE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH LAW AND REGULATION AND THAT WE ARE 100% COMMITTED TO PROTECTIN THE CIVIL LIBERTIES AND PRIVACY RIGHTS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

And by "in compliance with law and regulation," we mean after we convinced the FISA court to secretly reinterpret a law that those who wrote the law say is exactly how the law was not supposed to be interpreted. But we won't even discuss how we interpret the law publicly, because that's a national security issue.

AT NSA, OUR TOP THREE CORE VALUES ARE LAWFULNESS, HONESTY, AND INTEGRITY.

And lying. Oh, so much lying. Did we mention the lying?

WE APPRECIATE THE WELCOME YOU HAVE GIVEN US.

And we know you appreciate our presence, because, well, because we know.

(embedded NSA document at the link)

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...internet.shtml

That's like a rapist claiming his actions protect virginity!
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Old 07-13-2013, 11:19 AM   #16
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Because it's already suspect, due to the fact that it makes your food into rainbows and unicorns....it's the only thing we should ever use.
fixed it for ya.
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Old 07-13-2013, 12:11 PM   #17
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fixed it for ya.
Thanks man, you sure nailed it!
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Old 07-13-2013, 12:40 PM   #18
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Thanks man, you sure nailed it!
The godless fall down and pray at the microwave.
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:37 PM   #19
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...typewriters.

In the era of cyber warfare, the Kremlin’s Federal Guard Service comes up with the perfect solution to hackers… by ordering 20 good old typewriters for its staff

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Old 07-13-2013, 02:44 PM   #20
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Why the microwave? Sure, technology is there to put a camera in a microwave, but it's also there to put it in your TV, your wall clock, your A/C vent, your rear view mirror, your chandelier, your sink faucet, and pretty much everywhere else. So why the microwave?
Because I just choose that particular household device to show the possibilities of how technology can, and likely will be more invasive of privacy. I recall reading about it being put in tvs too. I wrote about cars already, just not with cameras. I've posted about drones being as small as a mosquito with cameras in them. I even went shopping online looking for a pen with a tiny camera and recorder in it.



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This software allows Samsung to recognise who is viewing the TV and personalises each person’s experience accordingly. The TV also listens and responds to specific voice commands.

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BTW attacking someone's mental health because they have dissenting views from you or the mainline of conventional thinking is what the former Soviets used to do.
Are you sure you're really a libertarian with a small "L" and a conservative? This is something the lead NeoCons do too, since they are really leftists. I expect un original thinking from Fish though.
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:50 PM   #21
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Because it's already suspect, due to the fact that it makes your food toxic.
So does cooking in an aluminan pan. It gets into the food. I tossed all mine out and avoid aluminan foil too. Same with non-stick cookware. I use stainless steel, glass, ceramic and cast iron only.

You must hate the natural healthcare market. You're so conventional, it's boring.
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:51 PM   #22
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So does cooking in an aluminan pan. It gets into the food. I tossed all mine out and avoid aluminan foil too. Same with non-stick cookware. I use stainless steel, glass, ceramic and cast iron only.

You must hate the natural healthcare market. You're so conventional, it's boring.
I don't find it boring just unusual, it's like we should all just accept our disease and die young from it.
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:57 PM   #23
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Oh, and what about using the wrong kind of plastic bottles?
Or storing food too long in plastic?
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:09 PM   #24
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Oh, and what about using the wrong kind of plastic bottles?
Or storing food too long in plastic?
Snopes would have a great answer i'm sure.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:19 PM   #25
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Because I just choose that particular household device to show the possibilities of how technology can, and likely will be more invasive of privacy. I recall reading about it being put in tvs too. I wrote about cars already, just not with cameras. I've posted about drones being as small as a mosquito with cameras in them. I even went shopping online looking for a pen with a tiny camera and recorder in it.



Is your TV watching you? Samsung's latest sets with built-in cameras spark concerns


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The new models, which are closer than ever to personal computers, offer high-tech features that have previously been unavailable, including a built-in HD camera, microphone set and face and speech recognition software.

This software allows Samsung to recognise who is viewing the TV and personalises each person’s experience accordingly. The TV also listens and responds to specific voice commands.

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BTW attacking someone's mental health because they have dissenting views from you or the mainline of conventional thinking is what the former Soviets used to do.
Are you sure you're really a libertarian with a small "L" and a conservative? This is something the lead NeoCons do too, since they are really leftists. I expect un original thinking from Fish though.
I'm not really attacking your mental health. It just sounded a little bit crazy because you singled out microwaves.
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I don't mind NSA data sampling. I'm just questioning the efficiency. There don't have the manpower to process billion upon billion of data. There probably have computer programs who only collect data with trigger words like Obama or Jihad. The problem is that if the net is too wide there will still be over flooding with data or if its too small there will lose data. I'm going so far and say that NSA would and could not prevent another 9/11.
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I don't mind NSA data sampling. I'm just questioning the efficiency. There don't have the manpower to process billion upon billion of data. There probably have computer programs who only collect data with trigger words like Obama or Jihad. The problem is that if the net is too wide there will still be over flooding with data or if its too small there will lose data. I'm going so far and say that NSA would and could not prevent another 9/11.

I doubt that's what it's being used for nowadays.
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I don't mind NSA data sampling. I'm just questioning the efficiency. There don't have the manpower to process billion upon billion of data.
Dude, the software does it all. You just need a couple of guys to build the reports for management or special requests. It's just simple query's. Any tech can do this work. It's basic tech 101 work.

The code to do this was given away and publicly posted on the internet by the NSA a couple of years ago. There are already large companies based on this code. I'd bet Taco Johns employer is one of them.

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Old 07-14-2013, 03:08 AM   #29
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Thanks BRC quite interesting but maybe above my pay grade. The only problem I have is that it seems to have a rather naive faith in data and science. Its remind me of the San Francisco plane crash. The pilots relied on automatic instrumentation. If there would have relied instead on paying attention to the fundamentals there could have averted the crash. Understandable people like to delegate responsibilities as much as possible.
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