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Old 07-12-2013, 04:01 PM  
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Snowden's Statement Today in Moscow...

Hello. My name is Ed Snowden. A little over one month ago, I had family, a home in paradise, and I lived in great comfort. I also had the capability without any warrant to search for, seize, and read your communications. Anyone's communications at any time. That is the power to change people's fates.

It is also a serious violation of the law. The 4th and 5th Amendments to the Constitution of my country, Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and numerous statutes and treaties forbid such systems of massive, pervasive surveillance. While the US Constitution marks these programs as illegal, my government argues that secret court rulings, which the world is not permitted to see, somehow legitimize an illegal affair. These rulings simply corrupt the most basic notion of justice - that it must be seen to be done. The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law.

I believe in the principle declared at Nuremberg in 1945: "Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore individual citizens have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring."

Accordingly, I did what I believed right and began a campaign to correct this wrongdoing. I did not seek to enrich myself. I did not seek to sell US secrets. I did not partner with any foreign government to guarantee my safety. Instead, I took what I knew to the public, so what affects all of us can be discussed by all of us in the light of day, and I asked the world for justice.

That moral decision to tell the public about spying that affects all of us has been costly, but it was the right thing to do and I have no regrets.

Since that time, the government and intelligence services of the United States of America have attempted to make an example of me, a warning to all others who might speak out as I have. I have been made stateless and hounded for my act of political expression. The United States Government has placed me on no-fly lists. It demanded Hong Kong return me outside of the framework of its laws, in direct violation of the principle of non-refoulement - the Law of Nations. It has threatened with sanctions countries who would stand up for my human rights and the UN asylum system. It has even taken the unprecedented step of ordering military allies to ground a Latin American president's plane in search for a political refugee. These dangerous escalations represent a threat not just to the dignity of Latin America, but to the basic rights shared by every person, every nation, to live free from persecution, and to seek and enjoy asylum.

Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders.

I announce today my formal acceptance of all offers of support or asylum I have been extended and all others that may be offered in the future. With, for example, the grant of asylum provided by Venezuela's President Maduro, my asylee status is now formal, and no state has a basis by which to limit or interfere with my right to enjoy that asylum. As we have seen, however, some governments in Western European and North American states have demonstrated a willingness to act outside the law, and this behavior persists today. This unlawful threat makes it impossible for me to travel to Latin America and enjoy the asylum granted there in accordance with our shared rights.

This willingness by powerful states to act extra-legally represents a threat to all of us, and must not be allowed to succeed. Accordingly, I ask for your assistance in requesting guarantees of safe passage from the relevant nations in securing my travel to Latin America, as well as requesting asylum in Russia until such time as these states accede to law and my legal travel is permitted. I will be submitting my request to Russia today, and hope it will be accepted favorably.

If you have any questions, I will answer what I can.

Thank you.

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Old 07-13-2013, 03:34 PM   #76
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Well generally if you flee to another country, especially China or Russia, and then proceed to release classified information I would think you wouldn't be expecting a ticker tape parade and a big welcome sign...
What is classified? The fact that we spy on our allies? I bet they never knew.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:37 PM   #77
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:38 PM   #78
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This wouldn't happen if our government didn't bully whistle blowers
This guy isn't a whistleblower. He's a data thief and a traitor.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:40 PM   #79
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I find it funny that the establishment nuthuggers used to always say "If there were big conspiracies you would have whistleblowers" Now it's "these Whistleblowers are criminals, lock em up without a fair trial and throw away the key"
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What is classified? The fact that we spy on our allies? I bet they never knew.
In one post you seem to suggest that this is some super secret conspiracy come to light thanks to Eric Snowden. And in the very next post you suggest that we already knew everything Snowden told us anyway so it's no big deal.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:41 PM   #80
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In one post you seem to suggest that this is some super secret conspiracy come to light thanks to Eric Snowden. And in the very next post you suggest that we already knew everything Snowden told us anyway so it's no big deal.
Well ya kind of, i've been telling you for years this is happening but now that it's official it is a bigger deal since we're no longer conspiracy kooks but traitors.
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This guy isn't a whistleblower. He's a data thief and a traitor.
That is funny.
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What is classified? The fact that we spy on our allies? I bet they never knew.
Look, no one knows whether he is guilty of any crime yet. He worked indirectly for a government agency which I am sure he had to sign some agreements and had secret clearance. That kind of shit is taken seriously.

If the truth is 'everyone knew' anyway, then why would he flee BEFORE releasing the info? You are talking in circles.

Either he released valuable, top secret info....and violated the law...or he didn't....

Which is it? You can't have it both ways.
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In one post you seem to suggest that this is some super secret conspiracy come to light thanks to Eric Snowden. And in the very next post you suggest that we already knew everything Snowden told us anyway so it's no big deal.
Exactly.

Pat is absolutely right here, and to be honest, it makes you and the others with similar changing stories look completely insane.
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Look, no one knows whether he is guilty of any crime yet. He worked indirectly for a government agency which I am sure he had to sign some agreements and had secret clearance. That kind of shit is taken seriously.

If the truth is 'everyone knew' anyway, then why would he flee BEFORE releasing the info? You are talking in circles.

Either he released valuable, top secret info....and violated the law...or he didn't....

Which is it? You can't have it both ways.
To me all he did was confirm what we already knew...That our own government spies on us which it should not be doing.
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To me all he did was confirm what we already knew...
Oh Ok..no big deal then....

I guess Snowden is a complete ****ing idiot wasting his time breaking the law and giving up his citizenship for shit we all already knew.

What a ****ing moron, eh?
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Oh Ok..no big deal then....

I guess Snowden is a complete ****ing idiot wasting his time breaking the law and giving up his citizenship for shit we all already knew.

What a ****ing moron, eh?
Well for people like you and Pat it should be an eye opener, yet you seem incapable of believing our government is capable of anything bad. I didn't need any convincing but for those with blinders......
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Well for people like you and Pat it should be an eye opener, yet you seem incapable of believing our government is capable of anything bad. I didn't need any convincing but for those with blinders......
No...

I think if you knew me , you would know I am no fan boy of Government....I know they can do wrong.

I personally think we have better (fairer, less corrupt, more transparent, more accountable) Governments than China, Russia, Venezuela, Nicaragua etc... , however.

I also happen to think people who break laws ought to get punished. If the law sucks, then fight the LAW....legally....

Don't run away, make a bunch of wild claims, and then refuse to have atrial to expose the flaws in the system..and run to China and Russia for help while fawning over their 'human rights' greatness.....Thats ****ing bullshit , man.
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No...

I think if you knew me , you would know I am no fan boy of Government....I know they can do wrong.

I personally think we have better (fairer, less corrupt, more transparent, more accountable) Governments than China, Russia, Venezuela, Nicaragua etc... , however.

I also happen to think people who break laws ought to get punished. If the law sucks, then fight the LAW....legally....

Don't run away, make a bunch of wild claims, and then refuse to have atrial to expose the flaws in the system..and run to China and Russia for help while fawning over their 'human rights' greatness.....Thats ****ing bullshit , man.
You fail to see our government does not play by the rules when it comes to whistleblowers. Snowden didn't think he would get a fair trial and I feel he was right to think that way. The human rights crap was not necessary, on that i agree but he is seeking asylum.
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I would really love to see a Historical Fiction Romance novel written using the title "Lord Snowden!"
Yeah, the male lead could betray his love interest and run off to some far away land with her best jewelry in the end.
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