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Old 07-12-2013, 03:01 PM  
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Snowden's Statement Today in Moscow...

Hello. My name is Ed Snowden. A little over one month ago, I had family, a home in paradise, and I lived in great comfort. I also had the capability without any warrant to search for, seize, and read your communications. Anyone's communications at any time. That is the power to change people's fates.

It is also a serious violation of the law. The 4th and 5th Amendments to the Constitution of my country, Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and numerous statutes and treaties forbid such systems of massive, pervasive surveillance. While the US Constitution marks these programs as illegal, my government argues that secret court rulings, which the world is not permitted to see, somehow legitimize an illegal affair. These rulings simply corrupt the most basic notion of justice - that it must be seen to be done. The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law.

I believe in the principle declared at Nuremberg in 1945: "Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore individual citizens have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring."

Accordingly, I did what I believed right and began a campaign to correct this wrongdoing. I did not seek to enrich myself. I did not seek to sell US secrets. I did not partner with any foreign government to guarantee my safety. Instead, I took what I knew to the public, so what affects all of us can be discussed by all of us in the light of day, and I asked the world for justice.

That moral decision to tell the public about spying that affects all of us has been costly, but it was the right thing to do and I have no regrets.

Since that time, the government and intelligence services of the United States of America have attempted to make an example of me, a warning to all others who might speak out as I have. I have been made stateless and hounded for my act of political expression. The United States Government has placed me on no-fly lists. It demanded Hong Kong return me outside of the framework of its laws, in direct violation of the principle of non-refoulement - the Law of Nations. It has threatened with sanctions countries who would stand up for my human rights and the UN asylum system. It has even taken the unprecedented step of ordering military allies to ground a Latin American president's plane in search for a political refugee. These dangerous escalations represent a threat not just to the dignity of Latin America, but to the basic rights shared by every person, every nation, to live free from persecution, and to seek and enjoy asylum.

Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders.

I announce today my formal acceptance of all offers of support or asylum I have been extended and all others that may be offered in the future. With, for example, the grant of asylum provided by Venezuela's President Maduro, my asylee status is now formal, and no state has a basis by which to limit or interfere with my right to enjoy that asylum. As we have seen, however, some governments in Western European and North American states have demonstrated a willingness to act outside the law, and this behavior persists today. This unlawful threat makes it impossible for me to travel to Latin America and enjoy the asylum granted there in accordance with our shared rights.

This willingness by powerful states to act extra-legally represents a threat to all of us, and must not be allowed to succeed. Accordingly, I ask for your assistance in requesting guarantees of safe passage from the relevant nations in securing my travel to Latin America, as well as requesting asylum in Russia until such time as these states accede to law and my legal travel is permitted. I will be submitting my request to Russia today, and hope it will be accepted favorably.

If you have any questions, I will answer what I can.

Thank you.

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Old 07-13-2013, 03:14 PM   #91
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Yeah, the male lead could betray his love interest and run off to some far away land with her best jewelry in the end.
just can't take the neocon out of pat, I did chuckle but only because that's what you truly believe.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:16 PM   #92
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You fail to see our government does not play by the rules when it comes to whistleblowers. Snowden didn't think he would get a fair trial and I feel he was right to think that way. The human rights crap was not necessary, on that i agree but he is seeking asylum.
The government is playing by the rules. The rules say Snowden isn't a whistleblower. You're the one trying to play outside the rules on this by claiming he is.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:20 PM   #93
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The government is playing by the rules. The rules say Snowden isn't a whistleblower. You're the one trying to play outside the rules on this by claiming he is.
I haven't seen this argument presented correctly, until then he is a whistleblower who saw what happens when you use the proper channels. Indefinite detention is no way to go through life.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:28 PM   #94
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just can't take the neocon out of pat, I did chuckle but only because that's what you truly believe.
I am only responding here due to the quote. But I see the novel playing out as a sort of renegade James Bond with many sexual/love conquests globally. It could be awesome. I'll have to toss the idea to my Creative Writing major daughter.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:35 PM   #95
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Oh and I might add...a man who is somewhat rogue but for the greater good is actually VERY sexy and attractive. Especially if they go up against the apparatus of the state.

A man who only follows the rules, plays it safe is very un-sexy.
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Old 07-13-2013, 04:23 PM   #96
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I am only responding here due to the quote. But I see the novel playing out as a sort of renegade James Bond with many sexual/love conquests globally. It could be awesome. I'll have to toss the idea to my Creative Writing major daughter.
If genetics play any role in such things, I have no doubt she is very talented.
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Old 07-13-2013, 05:02 PM   #97
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This guy isn't a whistleblower. He's a data thief and a traitor.
Those are strong words coming from a supporter of a liar/murder
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Old 07-13-2013, 06:59 PM   #98
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This guy isn't a whistleblower. He's a data thief and a traitor.
his actions certainly outed your opposition to american law & your sociopathic tendencies
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Old 07-13-2013, 07:00 PM   #99
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A coward a pussy and a straight up traitor.

If you want to leak something the government is doing wrong, do so to the media have them assess if it has any news / value. If it does come forward and stand by your claim. The NSA stuff is the absolute stupidest thing I've ever heard of. They are buying records from verizon. Oh scary, now if you want to say its a waste of tax payer money I'll probably agree with you.
You clearly do not know much about what this story is about. This is not about the Verizon/cell phone story. That is a completely separate issue. I wasn't really concerned about the cell phone story. THIS story is quite alarming, and not only that, but Snowden did EXACTLY what you suggested he do. He gave it to the media, they assessed its value, and they reported it. He did not talk to the public, the media did.

You may want to read up a bit on what this is about.
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Old 07-13-2013, 08:13 PM   #100
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He gave it to the media, they assessed its value, and they reported it. He did not talk to the public, the media did.
Was this before or after he fled to China and Russia and briefed their respective intelligence agencies?
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Old 07-15-2013, 12:54 PM   #103
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If our government is spying and collecting info on 'all or most' of the citizens of our country then thank God for anyone bringing that to the light of day. Is anyone really ok with that?
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If our government is spying and collecting info on 'all or most' of the citizens of our country then thank God for anyone bringing that to the light of day. Is anyone really ok with that?
The constitution calls for a census every ten years. The IRS gives you a financial cavity search every year. Are you really up in arms about the government stockpiling telecom data for future use if and when they have cause for a warrant?
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