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Old 07-12-2013, 03:01 PM  
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Snowden's Statement Today in Moscow...

Hello. My name is Ed Snowden. A little over one month ago, I had family, a home in paradise, and I lived in great comfort. I also had the capability without any warrant to search for, seize, and read your communications. Anyone's communications at any time. That is the power to change people's fates.

It is also a serious violation of the law. The 4th and 5th Amendments to the Constitution of my country, Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and numerous statutes and treaties forbid such systems of massive, pervasive surveillance. While the US Constitution marks these programs as illegal, my government argues that secret court rulings, which the world is not permitted to see, somehow legitimize an illegal affair. These rulings simply corrupt the most basic notion of justice - that it must be seen to be done. The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law.

I believe in the principle declared at Nuremberg in 1945: "Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore individual citizens have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring."

Accordingly, I did what I believed right and began a campaign to correct this wrongdoing. I did not seek to enrich myself. I did not seek to sell US secrets. I did not partner with any foreign government to guarantee my safety. Instead, I took what I knew to the public, so what affects all of us can be discussed by all of us in the light of day, and I asked the world for justice.

That moral decision to tell the public about spying that affects all of us has been costly, but it was the right thing to do and I have no regrets.

Since that time, the government and intelligence services of the United States of America have attempted to make an example of me, a warning to all others who might speak out as I have. I have been made stateless and hounded for my act of political expression. The United States Government has placed me on no-fly lists. It demanded Hong Kong return me outside of the framework of its laws, in direct violation of the principle of non-refoulement - the Law of Nations. It has threatened with sanctions countries who would stand up for my human rights and the UN asylum system. It has even taken the unprecedented step of ordering military allies to ground a Latin American president's plane in search for a political refugee. These dangerous escalations represent a threat not just to the dignity of Latin America, but to the basic rights shared by every person, every nation, to live free from persecution, and to seek and enjoy asylum.

Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders.

I announce today my formal acceptance of all offers of support or asylum I have been extended and all others that may be offered in the future. With, for example, the grant of asylum provided by Venezuela's President Maduro, my asylee status is now formal, and no state has a basis by which to limit or interfere with my right to enjoy that asylum. As we have seen, however, some governments in Western European and North American states have demonstrated a willingness to act outside the law, and this behavior persists today. This unlawful threat makes it impossible for me to travel to Latin America and enjoy the asylum granted there in accordance with our shared rights.

This willingness by powerful states to act extra-legally represents a threat to all of us, and must not be allowed to succeed. Accordingly, I ask for your assistance in requesting guarantees of safe passage from the relevant nations in securing my travel to Latin America, as well as requesting asylum in Russia until such time as these states accede to law and my legal travel is permitted. I will be submitting my request to Russia today, and hope it will be accepted favorably.

If you have any questions, I will answer what I can.

Thank you.

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Old 07-15-2013, 01:13 PM   #106
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:20 PM   #107
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If our government is spying and collecting info on 'all or most' of the citizens of our country then thank God for anyone bringing that to the light of day. Is anyone really ok with that?
I'm not ok with it.
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:29 PM   #108
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:31 PM   #109
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If Obama had any hair on his balls, he'd be breathing fire and raining brimstone down on Putin over this, pulling out all of the stops.
It's too late, really. I'm sure the Russians already have everything they want from Snowden.
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:33 PM   #110
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The constitution calls for a census every ten years. The IRS gives you a financial cavity search every year. Are you really up in arms about the government stockpiling telecom data for future use if and when they have cause for a warrant?
The census and IRS laws are very, very minuscule in comparison to recording all our phone calls and e-mails. I suppose it might be a matter of trusting our gov to only use that info if they have cause for a warrant, which I don't.
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:34 PM   #111
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Sadly, i'm sure thats true.
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:45 PM   #112
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The census and IRS laws are very, very minuscule in comparison to recording all our phone calls and e-mails. I suppose it might be a matter of trusting our gov to only use that info if they have cause for a warrant, which I don't.
Your financial biography is at least as personal as your phone calls. It's not minuscule at all. And it's not against the law to encrypt your communications, but try hiding your money from Uncle Sam. The real difference is that you're used to the fact that the government keeps track of you through the census and your tax returns, but this NSA stuff is less familiar.

And, besides, it's not at all clear that anyone is recording all of our phone calls.
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Old 07-15-2013, 02:03 PM   #113
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Your financial biography is at least as personal as your phone calls. It's not minuscule at all. And it's not against the law to encrypt your communications, but try hiding your money from Uncle Sam. The real difference is that you're used to the fact that the government keeps track of you through the census and your tax returns, but this NSA stuff is less familiar.

Not really. Your financial status could easily be part of phone calls you make, as well as any other facet of your life. Recording everything really encompasses so much more than finances.


And, besides, it's not at all clear that anyone is recording all of our phone calls.
The question was actually would you be ok with it if they were recording all or most of our calls and e-mails?
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The constitution calls for a census every ten years. The IRS gives you a financial cavity search every year. Are you really up in arms about the government stockpiling telecom data for future use if and when they have cause for a warrant?

Are you really so ****ing stupid you can't see the difference between a census or tax return and what you think is a private conversation?!?!


You really can't understand the difference between telling the government what you have in the bank as opposed to the government spying on you to find out what you have in your head?!?!?!

My God, you're a worthless sack of RINO shit.
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Are you really so ****ing stupid you can't see the difference between a census or tax return and what you think is a private conversation?!?!


You really can't understand the difference between telling the government what you have in the bank as opposed to the government spying on you to find out what you have in your head?!?!?!

My God, you're a worthless sack of RINO shit.
No one is tapping your head, mikey. You can relax.

I'm kind of surprised that a privacy freak like you is happy to let the government scrutinize every aspect of your finances. Are you a shill for the IRS?
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The question was actually would you be ok with it if they were recording all or most of our calls and e-mails?
Are they? It wouldn't surprise me if they have the capability, but I'd be surprised if they are actually doing it, particularly for phone calls. To be honest, I make it a practice to use the phone and email as if someone is listening in anyway. Even if the US government doesn't do it, someone is eventually going to be doing it.
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Old 07-15-2013, 02:37 PM   #117
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Are they? It wouldn't surprise me if they have the capability, but I'd be surprised if they are actually doing it, particularly for phone calls. To be honest, I make it a practice to use the phone and email as if someone is listening in anyway. Even if the US government doesn't do it, someone is eventually going to be doing it.
Pat, I'm just trying to get a direct answer of if you would be ok with it if they were.. I think you are much more trusting of the gov than I am. I'm pretty much of the opinion that if our gov CAN misuse something that eventually they will. Here in Colorado the DMV was selling lists of names with addresses to different markets some years back, until they were caught and stopped. I realize that is state or county gov and not Federal but its all part of the same animal.
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Pat, I'm just trying to get a direct answer of if you would be ok with it if they were.. I think you are much more trusting of the gov than I am. I'm pretty much of the opinion that if our gov CAN misuse something that eventually they will. Here in Colorado the DMV was selling lists of names with addresses to different markets some years back, until they were caught and stopped. I realize that is state or county gov and not Federal but its all part of the same animal.
I agree that there's a very real possibility that the government will eventually misuse any information that they collect. There are many examples of this and I don't trust the federal government any more than the states. But it's also true that some functions of government require the collection of information. I'm not a big fan of the tax system, but I recognize that as long as we insist on having an income tax, the government is going to need to collect information about our incomes.

I am a big fan of having a strong military and the best possible intelligence system. I don't want potential foreign threats to be able to shield their communications just by routing them through the US, for example. I want our NSA to be able to listen in on those communications regardless of whether they take place in New Delhi or New York. I want them to be restricted to their mission though and I don't want them sharing any information with David Axelrod (or Karl Rove). I think we should be careful about how much information they can share with the FBI and for what purposes that information can be shared. We should strive to have the best possible safeguards to prevent domestic spying for purposes other than gathering foreign intelligence.

So, under those circumstances, I'm OK with it.
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I agree that there's a very real possibility that the government will eventually misuse any information that they collect. There are many examples of this and I don't trust the federal government any more than the states. But it's also true that some functions of government require the collection of information. I'm not a big fan of the tax system, but I recognize that as long as we insist on having an income tax, the government is going to need to collect information about our incomes.

I am a big fan of having a strong military and the best possible intelligence system. I don't want potential foreign threats to be able to shield their communications just by routing them through the US, for example. I want our NSA to be able to listen in on those communications regardless of whether they take place in New Delhi or New York. I want them to be restricted to their mission though and I don't want them sharing any information with David Axelrod (or Karl Rove). I think we should be careful about how much information they can share with the FBI and for what purposes that information can be shared. We should strive to have the best possible safeguards to prevent domestic spying for purposes other than gathering foreign intelligence.

So, under those circumstances, I'm OK with it.

Fair enough and thanks for answering. I'd pretty much agree with what you said under those circumstances. I think the tricky part is having those "...best possible safeguards..." that you mention. I think where we may find disagreement is if/when those best possible safeguards fall short I am personally not opposed to someone blowing the whistle.
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Meaning what? What would you do, for example? Specifically--what are all the stops you would pull out?
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