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Old 07-12-2013, 04:01 PM  
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Snowden's Statement Today in Moscow...

Hello. My name is Ed Snowden. A little over one month ago, I had family, a home in paradise, and I lived in great comfort. I also had the capability without any warrant to search for, seize, and read your communications. Anyone's communications at any time. That is the power to change people's fates.

It is also a serious violation of the law. The 4th and 5th Amendments to the Constitution of my country, Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and numerous statutes and treaties forbid such systems of massive, pervasive surveillance. While the US Constitution marks these programs as illegal, my government argues that secret court rulings, which the world is not permitted to see, somehow legitimize an illegal affair. These rulings simply corrupt the most basic notion of justice - that it must be seen to be done. The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law.

I believe in the principle declared at Nuremberg in 1945: "Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore individual citizens have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring."

Accordingly, I did what I believed right and began a campaign to correct this wrongdoing. I did not seek to enrich myself. I did not seek to sell US secrets. I did not partner with any foreign government to guarantee my safety. Instead, I took what I knew to the public, so what affects all of us can be discussed by all of us in the light of day, and I asked the world for justice.

That moral decision to tell the public about spying that affects all of us has been costly, but it was the right thing to do and I have no regrets.

Since that time, the government and intelligence services of the United States of America have attempted to make an example of me, a warning to all others who might speak out as I have. I have been made stateless and hounded for my act of political expression. The United States Government has placed me on no-fly lists. It demanded Hong Kong return me outside of the framework of its laws, in direct violation of the principle of non-refoulement - the Law of Nations. It has threatened with sanctions countries who would stand up for my human rights and the UN asylum system. It has even taken the unprecedented step of ordering military allies to ground a Latin American president's plane in search for a political refugee. These dangerous escalations represent a threat not just to the dignity of Latin America, but to the basic rights shared by every person, every nation, to live free from persecution, and to seek and enjoy asylum.

Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders.

I announce today my formal acceptance of all offers of support or asylum I have been extended and all others that may be offered in the future. With, for example, the grant of asylum provided by Venezuela's President Maduro, my asylee status is now formal, and no state has a basis by which to limit or interfere with my right to enjoy that asylum. As we have seen, however, some governments in Western European and North American states have demonstrated a willingness to act outside the law, and this behavior persists today. This unlawful threat makes it impossible for me to travel to Latin America and enjoy the asylum granted there in accordance with our shared rights.

This willingness by powerful states to act extra-legally represents a threat to all of us, and must not be allowed to succeed. Accordingly, I ask for your assistance in requesting guarantees of safe passage from the relevant nations in securing my travel to Latin America, as well as requesting asylum in Russia until such time as these states accede to law and my legal travel is permitted. I will be submitting my request to Russia today, and hope it will be accepted favorably.

If you have any questions, I will answer what I can.

Thank you.

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Old 07-15-2013, 05:42 PM   #121
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Old 07-15-2013, 05:45 PM   #122
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Meaning what? What would you do, for example? Specifically--what are all the stops you would pull out?
I think he's talking about getting us into another war.
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Old 07-15-2013, 06:14 PM   #123
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Meaning what? What would you do, for example? Specifically--what are all the stops you would pull out?
Are you always a sniveling tool, or do you save it just for here?
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Old 07-15-2013, 06:15 PM   #124
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I think he's talking about getting us into another war.
Anything but, i'm sure there are any number of actions he could take to ramp up the heat besides war.
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Old 07-15-2013, 06:28 PM   #125
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So Snowden is possibly endangering our country and he's not a traitor. Fair assessment.
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Old 07-15-2013, 06:31 PM   #126
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So Snowden is possibly endangering our country and he's not a traitor. Fair assessment.
Ya he's endangering our country...

He is telling other countries how we spy on our own citizens....I'm sure Mother Russia has better ways to spy on their own citizens.
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Old 07-15-2013, 06:35 PM   #127
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Are you always a sniveling tool, or do you save it just for here?
I see you avoided answering a very clear and straightforward question. Frankly, I figured you were just spewing a bunch of ignorant tough-guy bullshit, and you proved me absolutely correct. If you think of an actual response, let us know.
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Old 07-15-2013, 06:42 PM   #128
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He could start by sending their ambassadors home and canceling any joint projects we have going with them, except maybe the ISS.

If they rely in any way on something we export to them, he could ixnay that, i'm sure there are many other things he could do that i'm not aware since i'm not the president... you tool.
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Old 07-15-2013, 06:48 PM   #129
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He could start by sending their ambassadors home and canceling any joint projects we have going with them, except maybe the ISS.

If they rely in any way on something we export to them, he could ixnay that, i'm sure there are many other things he could do that i'm not aware since i'm not the president... you tool.
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Old 07-15-2013, 07:06 PM   #130
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Riiight, because a few steps like that is tantamount to war.

But no, you're right of course, we should just let them pick our pocket without consequence.
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Old 07-15-2013, 07:12 PM   #131
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He could start by sending their ambassadors home and canceling any joint projects we have going with them, except maybe the ISS.

If they rely in any way on something we export to them, he could ixnay that, i'm sure there are many other things he could do that i'm not aware since i'm not the president... you tool.
JFC...
Sending ambassadors home--I'm not sure how big a punishment this is, but you know that they would just do the same to us, right?

Cancel any joint projects--don't really know what this entails, but neither do you since the only thing you named is the one you would exempt. Also, sounds like if it is a joint project, it would punish us as much as them.

Cancelling exports--So your idea is to punish American business? Also, they would just return the favor.

Other things you're not aware of--you are a dumbass. Just admit you opened your hole without thinking and you didn't realize you had nothing to say until I called out your bullshit.
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Old 07-15-2013, 07:21 PM   #132
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JFC...
Sending ambassadors home--I'm not sure how big a punishment this is, but you know that they would just do the same to us, right?

Cancel any joint projects--don't really know what this entails, but neither do you since the only thing you named is the one you would exempt. Also, sounds like if it is a joint project, it would punish us as much as them.

Cancelling exports--So your idea is to punish American business? Also, they would just return the favor.

Other things you're not aware of--you are a dumbass. Just admit you opened your hole without thinking and you didn't realize you had nothing to say until I called out your bullshit.
So what if they reciprocate our actions, atleast they would get the point about how gravely this is viewed, its quite possibly the biggest security breach in national history.

You are simply a pathetic shill for anything democrat, every bit as bad as the worst rwnj.
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Old 07-15-2013, 07:26 PM   #133
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JFC...
Sending ambassadors home--I'm not sure how big a punishment this is, but you know that they would just do the same to us, right?

Cancel any joint projects--don't really know what this entails, but neither do you since the only thing you named is the one you would exempt. Also, sounds like if it is a joint project, it would punish us as much as them.

Cancelling exports--So your idea is to punish American business? Also, they would just return the favor.

Other things you're not aware of--you are a dumbass. Just admit you opened your hole without thinking and you didn't realize you had nothing to say until I called out your bullshit.
How about this... cancel his support for the nuclear arms reduction treaty he negotiated during his first term?
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Old 07-15-2013, 07:33 PM   #134
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So what if they reciprocate our actions, atleast they would get the point about how gravely this is viewed, its quite possibly the biggest security breach in national history.

You are simply a pathetic shill for anything democrat, every bit as bad as the worst rwnj.
Typical fallback position when you have nothing to say. What does this have to do with shilling for anyone? You said if Obama had balls he'd be "breathing fire and raining brimstone down on Putin over this, pulling out all of the stops."

Gee, I had the nerve to ask, "Like what?" Your responses confirmed you as a dumbass, but now you're just showing yourself as a ****ing lunatic. You spouted off, got called out, and now you're embarrassing yourself. This is when you should .
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Old 07-15-2013, 07:37 PM   #135
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How about this... cancel his support for the nuclear arms reduction treaty he negotiated during his first term?
Not sure if serious, nor sure of the point.
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