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Old 07-12-2013, 10:59 PM  
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Why My Brain Is On Fire

Comprehensive immigration reform.

That's it. That's why my brain is on fire.

You have:

1. A fair bill to have emerged from the Senate, with a huge majority.

2. A POTUS who would sign this thing in a heartbeat.

3. A House that, if this bill were to come up for a vote today, would easily pass with unanimous Democratic support and solid moderate Republican support.

4. Huge majorities of Americans that favor stronger border protection and path to citizenships.

5. The demographic future of the Republican Party potentially on the line.

And somehow, some way, this bill will not become law. Because the House won't even put it up for a vote.

For the most trite reason of all: because not enough Republicans support it. Even though it would certainly pass if it a vote was held. Even though it's conventional wisdom suggests this could cost them latino voters for a generation. Even though the public voted for Democrats over Republicans for POTUS, the Senate, and the House. And the only reason the Republicans have the House in the first place is because they gerrymandered themselves into it.

But that's it. The bill will not even get a vote in the House.

Otherwise, it's getting signed this weekend, becomes law of the land, provides this country with a gigantic economic boost, helps bring unprotected millions out of the shadows, drastically cuts into illegal immigration, and provides valentines for DREAMers, high-skilled workers, and others.

But, despite everything, this is not happening.

My brain. Is on fire.
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Old 07-14-2013, 10:40 AM   #61
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Old 07-14-2013, 10:46 AM   #62
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Old 07-14-2013, 10:56 AM   #63
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Any idea why that is?

Might have anything to do with the insane rhetoric and obstructive behavior of the GOP when Bush/McCain pushed for the same kind of reform back in 2006?

McAmnesty voted for amnesty. Yet he didn't get any hispanic benefit. This isn't difficult to follow.


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Or did Hispanics, who voted almost 50% for George W. Bush in 2004 partially because of his platform on immigration, decide that McCain, who was Congress' chief political force for reasonable immigration reform in 2006, was suddenly anti-Hispanic?

George W. never got 1/2 the Hispanic vote either time. He won 35% in 2000 and one exit poll in 2004 claimed 44%. Of course, that poll also claimed John Kerry was going to win before it was revised. The 2004 the exit polls were tossed out by the networks for inaccuracies, so Bush likely improved by 3-5%. That puts him below 40%.


"Bush advisers say privately they don't believe the President reached 44% of the Latino vote."
http://www.businessweek.com/stories/...-surge-to-bush
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:09 AM   #64
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:12 AM   #65
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McAmnesty voted for amnesty. Yet he didn't get any hispanic benefit. This isn't difficult to follow.
You aren't answering my question.

Why do you think McCain failed to get much of the Hispanic vote in 2008?

Do you think the ridiculous Republican behavior in 2006 that ended up shooting down immigration reform had anything to do with it?

What helps explain a near-50% vote for Bush in 2004 to a sub-30% vote in 2008?
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:25 AM   #66
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Do you find anything tragic in the fact that a bill that has total democratic support, from the people to both chambers of Congress, that will unquestionably help millions of people, is not going to get a pass because a minority that has gerrymandered itself into power won't allow a vote on it?
LOL, no, I don't consider it tragic. We went down this road before without actually addressing the problem of actually stopping illegal immigration. I think there is enough concern out there that the senate bill doesn't do that. Couple that with a president (the great uniter) that has proven he doesn't really want to enforce border security and flip the finger to the constitution by not actually enforcing laws he himself signs there is a reason to pause.
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:25 AM   #67
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You aren't answering my question.

Why do you think McCain failed to get much of the Hispanic vote in 2008?

Do you think the ridiculous Republican behavior in 2006 that ended up shooting down immigration reform had anything to do with it?

What helps explain a near-50% vote for Bush in 2004 to a sub-30% vote in 2008?
Why do I think McAmnesty got the same % that George Sr. got in 1988 after they passed amnesty? I don't know. What's your theory? Why didn't Sr do much better?
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:32 AM   #68
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LOL, no, I don't consider it tragic. We went down this road before without actually addressing the problem of actually stopping illegal immigration. I think there is enough concern out there that the senate bill doesn't do that. Couple that with a president (the great uniter) that has proven he doesn't really want to enforce border security and flip the finger to the constitution by not actually enforcing laws he himself signs there is a reason to pause.
As far as Congress sees it, the concern that the Senate bill doesn't address illegal immigration is held by a minority that has gerrymandered itself into power in the House. That's it.

Illegal immigration has dropped under Obama, so it's kind of hard to argue that he doesn't want to enforce border security.

Other than that... you're doing great.

Once again, the only thing preventing this from becoming law is a minority that has gerrymandered itself into the majority.

This is supported by the public, the President, and both chambers of Congress. And it also helps millions of people.

The fact it's not going to move forward is tragic.
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:38 AM   #69
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LOL, no, I don't consider it tragic. We went down this road before without actually addressing the problem of actually stopping illegal immigration. I think there is enough concern out there that the senate bill doesn't do that. Couple that with a president (the great uniter) that has proven he doesn't really want to enforce border security and flip the finger to the constitution by not actually enforcing laws he himself signs there is a reason to pause.
Remember too that he and his party passed a healthcare law that was quite unpopular with the voters and remains so. Therefore he really doesn't have any moral high ground here to claim the people "want this", like he tried to do with the gun control bill. He can't simply choose when to use the popularity argument.
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Old 07-14-2013, 12:02 PM   #70
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As far as Congress sees it, the concern that the Senate bill doesn't address illegal immigration is held by a minority that has gerrymandered itself into power in the House. That's it.

Illegal immigration has dropped under Obama, so it's kind of hard to argue that he doesn't want to enforce border security.

Other than that... you're doing great.

Once again, the only thing preventing this from becoming law is a minority that has gerrymandered itself into the majority.

This is supported by the public, the President, and both chambers of Congress. And it also helps millions of people.

The fact it's not going to move forward is tragic.
Well I hope the brain thing works out. Prayers sent.
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Old 07-14-2013, 12:05 PM   #71
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Well I hope the brain thing works out. Prayers sent.
Do you believe that there are millions of people whose lives would be dramatically improved by passage of this bill?
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Old 07-14-2013, 12:06 PM   #72
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Do you believe that there are millions of people whose lives would be dramatically improved by passage of this bill?
My life would be worse, and that's what I vote on.
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Old 07-14-2013, 12:07 PM   #73
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My life would be worse, and that's what I vote on.
I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions.

Why do you think McCain failed to get much of the Hispanic vote in 2008?

Do you think the ridiculous Republican behavior in 2006 that ended up shooting down immigration reform had anything to do with it?

What helps explain a near-50% vote for Bush in 2004 to a sub-30% vote in 2008?
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Old 07-14-2013, 12:12 PM   #74
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I'm still waiting for you to explain why Bush Sr. only got 30% of Hispanics after the amnesty 2 years earlier.
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