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Old 07-15-2013, 10:20 AM  
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WASHINGTON — Leslie James Pickering noticed something odd in his mail last September: a handwritten card, apparently delivered by mistake, with instructions for postal workers to pay special attention to the letters and packages sent to his home.


“Show all mail to supv” — supervisor — “for copying prior to going out on the street,” read the card. It included Mr. Pickering’s name, address and the type of mail that needed to be monitored. The word “confidential” was highlighted in green.



“It was a bit of a shock to see it,” said Mr. Pickering, who with his wife owns a small bookstore in Buffalo. More than a decade ago, he was a spokesman for the Earth Liberation Front, a radical environmental group labeled eco-terrorists by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Postal officials subsequently confirmed they were indeed tracking Mr. Pickering’s mail but told him nothing else.



As the world focuses on the high-tech spying of the National Security Agency, the misplaced card offers a rare glimpse inside the seemingly low-tech but prevalent snooping of the United States Postal Service.
Mr. Pickering was targeted by a longtime surveillance system called mail covers, a forerunner of a vastly more expansive effort, the Mail Isolation Control and Tracking program, in which Postal Service computers photograph the exterior of every piece of paper mail that is processed in the United States — about 160 billion pieces last year. It is not known how long the government saves the images.



Together, the two programs show that postal mail is subject to the same kind of scrutiny that the National Security Agency has given to telephone calls and e-mail.



The mail covers program, used to monitor Mr. Pickering, is more than a century old but is still considered a powerful tool. At the request of law enforcement officials, postal workers record information from the outside of letters and parcels before they are delivered. (Opening the mail would require a warrant.) The information is sent to the law enforcement agency that asked for it. Tens of thousands of pieces of mail each year undergo this scrutiny.



The Mail Isolation Control and Tracking program was created after the anthrax attacks in late 2001 that killed five people, including two postal workers. Highly secret, it seeped into public view last month when the F.B.I. cited it in its investigation of ricin-laced letters sent to President Obama and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg. It enables the Postal Service to retrace the path of mail at the request of law enforcement. No one disputes that it is sweeping.
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:23 AM   #2
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:28 AM   #3
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:38 AM   #4
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I didn't know people still used this service.
cool. So they deserve whats coming to them.
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:43 AM   #5
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:52 AM   #6
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Old 07-15-2013, 12:34 PM   #7
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What's mail?
it'sthis stuff where a person in a white jeep/truck looking thing that stops in front of your house where the person deposits all kinds of letters, bills, adds and other assorted junk. You then take that "mail" and throw it in the waste can...then on a guy in a much bigger truck picks up your waste can and dumps it out.
Not sure why the mail delivery person doesn't haul it ot the dump and save a little time
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Old 07-15-2013, 03:27 PM   #8
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Old 07-15-2013, 03:32 PM   #9
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Old 07-15-2013, 03:35 PM   #10
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I'm shocked that we don't have any of our Henny Pennies in here screaming bloody murder.
Well, I'm not a conspiratard, but the level of the spying on ordinary Americans that is going on is horseshit. Not surprised that you being the RW apologist you are see nothing wrong with this.
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Old 07-15-2013, 04:04 PM   #11
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Not really sure I see a huge problem with this so long as they aren't opening the mail.
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Old 07-15-2013, 04:14 PM   #12
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it'sthis stuff where a person in a white jeep/truck looking thing that stops in front of your house where the person deposits all kinds of letters, bills, adds and other assorted junk. You then take that "mail" and throw it in the waste can...then on a guy in a much bigger truck picks up your waste can and dumps it out.
Not sure why the mail delivery person doesn't haul it ot the dump and save a little time
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Old 07-15-2013, 04:50 PM   #13
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I wonder if I might be able to have them photograph my mail just in case I ever lose an important address or something..?
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Old 07-15-2013, 05:01 PM   #14
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Old 07-15-2013, 05:40 PM   #15
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Not really sure I see a huge problem with this so long as they aren't opening the mail.
Indeed. How can there be an expectation of privacy in something that's written on the outside of something?
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