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Harry Reid is nuking the non-talking filibuster on Presidential nominations.

Interesting development, to say the least. Some hyperventilating will soon follow, to be sure.

He spoke on the Senate floor today. I've isolated the parts of his speech that outline his point of view.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ming-obsolete/

READ: Harry Reid’s speech on how he’ll ‘save the Senate from becoming obsolete’
By Lydia DePillis
Published: July 15 at 12:45 pm

Congress is extremely unpopular for a couple of main reason. Any poll you look at indicates that they’re unpopular for two reasons: one, gridlock, gridlock, gridlock; two, not getting things done. And that’s really true. We — when I came to Congress, actually first time I ran for the Senate, we were at above 45 percent, approaching 50 percent (inaudible) Congress. Not that way anymore. Last Gallup number had us at 10 percent and not going up, going down.

So why is that? Of course, we all know we need to pass legislation that does good things for our country, especially the middle class.

Flip on C-SPAN, as I know some of you do, and what do you see there the vast majority of the time? Nothing. Blank screen. Quorum calls.

So we’re wasting time. Hour after hour, day after day.

Let me give you a picture of where we’re coming from — me and my caucus — Lyndon Johnson was majority leader for six years. During that period of time, he had to overcome one filibuster. I’ve been leader about the same time as he has. I don’t know the exact number, but it’s around 420 filibusters.

So have things changed?

Yes, they sure have changed.

Now, there are — everyone knows that under the Constitution, we have a responsibility to give advice and consent to the president on his nominations, but all we have from the Republicans is not advice and consent, we have obstruct and delay. And that’s really the truth.

Now, remember my conservative friends always talk about the Constitution. So let’s use that as a frame for my presentation to you here today. The Constitution is very, very specific as to what requires a super majority: Vetoes, impeachments, treaties. And that same paragraph where the founding fathers talked about super majority they mentioned presidential nominations, majority — majority.

The founding fathers wanted an up or down vote and that’s basically what we’ve been crying for now for years. And I believe this, whether it is one of the new Bush’s to be president, maybe Jeb, or maybe a new Clinton, maybe Hillary, or maybe even the daughter, but whoever — whoever is president, they should have the ability to pick their team. There’s — I feel strongly about that.

We have a situation where Republicans have created gridlock — gridlock, gridlock.

And it has consequences. It’s not only bad for President Obama, it’s bad for the country.

The status quo won’t work. Now, during the time we’ve been a country — during the time we’ve been a country, until Barack Obama became president, 20 (inaudible) nominees were filibustered. During the four years that President Obama has been president, he’s already had — I’m sorry — he’s already had 16 of his nominees filibustered.

Think about that.

What they have done is just really unbelievable. And my Republican colleague, Senator McConnell, on “Meet the Press” yesterday, they asked him the logical question. They said, “What are you gonna do with Napolitano’s replacement?”

And rather than say, “We’ll move forward on that; we have some questions, but we’ll move forward on it,” he refused to tell David Gregory whether or not they would — he would allow an up-or-down vote.

Think about that.

What they have done is really untoward. The American people need to feel that we as a Senate are responsive to their challenges. They’ve carried this to the extreme.

Now, my friend, the Republican leader had others come to the floor and say, “Well, yeah, but everything’s going great. We approved this person, 97 to nothing. One person, 98 to nothing. Another 100 to nothing.”

But that’s the whole point. They don’t have anything — there’s nothing wrong with these people. There’s nothing wrong with their qualifications.

They simply want to stall what goes on.

Those people that they voted 97 to nothing, some of them we waited months. And our lead folks — that we talked — talked about today, they’ve been waiting for more than two years.

I have the 15 that are on the calendar today, their average waiting time has been nine months.

Do they have an objection against Richard Cordray, his qualifications?

Of course not. Cordray was a clerk for Judge Bork. Cordray was a clerk for Justice Kennedy. He was attorney general for the state of Ohio. There’s nothing wrong with his qualifications. They just don’t like his job. They don’t like someone who’s job, based on legislation that we passed and is signed into law, who takes a look for the consumer against the greed that happens on occasion in Wall Street.

Do they have anything personally against the two NLRB nominees?

No. One of them was Senator Kennedy’s counsel. The other was the attorney for the operating engineers. These are good people. They don’t challenge their qualifications. They — they challenge their jobs. NLRB has been in existence since the Great Depression. It works. It protects workers, not union workers, workers.

Isn’t it interesting, the focal point has been the last few months on all these people, on the secretary of labor and two NLRB posts. Do you think there’s something in that message to the American people? We’re going to do everything we can to make sure business is OK. But we’re not going to make sure that everything is OK with American workers.

Now there have been hues and cries at what I and my caucus are trying to do is going to really hurt the Senate. In the last 18 years — I’m sorry. The last 16 — the last 36 years, we’ve changed the rules by a simple majority 18 times. I’ve done it. We always do it, simple majority when things don’t work.

And if you look at what those changes were, people were just trying to be factitious and create problems. Like (ph) we did this just a little over a year ago. What had happened is after cloture had been invoked — invoked on one of those rare occasions to stop filibuster, some of the Republican senators came up with this big, great idea (inaudible). And they would file motions set aside the rules. And while it took a two-thirds majority, they knew none of them would pass. But they wanted my folks to have to vote on amendments that had nothing to do with the bill that cloture had been invoked on it.

Now I put up with this for a while. They had two or three of them. Finally — I don’t remember the exact number — they had fifteen or so (inaudible). It takes huge amounts of time and was a waste of Senate’s time. So we changed the rules. We said, “You can’t do that anymore.” That was done by a simple majority.

And that’s all we’re doing here. We’re — this does not affect life-time appointments. It doesn’t affect substantive legislation. It allows the president to have his team, for this president and those in the future. And that’s the way it should be.

My friend, Senator McConnell — and this is not — this is not McConnell (inaudible) Reid. This is my caucus is concerned about where this country is headed. But Mitch has said — said — I’m not making this up — he is the proud guardian of good law (ph). Those were his words. So I took action last week, the first Republicans to either allow these people to go through that is stop the filibuster or where gonna have to change the rule.

There is — there isn’t, as I’ve indicated, a single objection to the qualifications for any one of these people. And we need to move forward. We need to stop blocking this president and the future presidents from having a qualified team that he thinks is what he needs.

This is in the Constitution. This isn’t about Democrats versus Republicans. It’s about making Washington work, regardless of who’s in the White House. I also think that it’s clear that we should all understand that the Senate is a unique institution. It was created that way by the founding fathers.
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Old 07-15-2013, 12:09 PM   #2
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He'll regret it if the senate doesn't remain with a Democratic majority—which is why some Democrats are opposed to this.
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Old 07-15-2013, 12:12 PM   #3
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.....But, but, but, it's different now...jeez

Senator Barack Obama, on 4/26/05, in response to a question on the “nuclear option” (how Democrats in 2005 characterized then-President Bush’s attempts to use reconciliation):
“He hasn’t gotten his way…uh…and that is now prompting a change in the Senate rules that really I think would change the character of the Senate uh forever and uh what I worry about would be that you essentially have still two chambers the House and the Senate but you have simply majoritarian uh absolute power on on either side and that’s just not what the Founders intended.”
Present Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid weighs in as well back on 5/18/2005, noting that
“The right to extend a debate is never more important than when one party controls both Congress and the White House. The filibuster serves as a check, on power, preserve our limited government.”
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Old 07-15-2013, 12:13 PM   #4
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.....But, but, but, it's different now...jeez

Senator Barack Obama, on 4/26/05, in response to a question on the “nuclear option” (how Democrats in 2005 characterized then-President Bush’s attempts to use reconciliation):
“He hasn’t gotten his way…uh…and that is now prompting a change in the Senate rules that really I think would change the character of the Senate uh forever and uh what I worry about would be that you essentially have still two chambers the House and the Senate but you have simply majoritarian uh absolute power on on either side and that’s just not what the Founders intended.”
Present Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid weighs in as well back on 5/18/2005, noting that
“The right to extend a debate is never more important than when one party controls both Congress and the White House. The filibuster serves as a check, on power, preserve our limited government.”
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Senate GOP's nuclear option was threatened to be absolute. Reid's is to concern Presidential nominations specifically.
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Old 07-15-2013, 12:15 PM   #5
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Doesn't matter, it is an abuse of power and hypocrisy. Here are some more from 2005:

Present Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also chimed in with a verbal barrage on 5/23/2005 against then President Bush about controlling himself and calling upon her GOP collegues to go to Bush and tell him reconciliation is “a bridge to far” and that “you have to restrain yourself Mr. President.”

Vice President Joe Biden weighed in with his familiar bombastic rhetoric in 2005 as well, stating that “this nuclear option is ultimately an example of the arrogance of power…it is a fundamental power grab” and further opining in prayer that “”I pray God when the Democrats take back control we don’t make the kind of naked power grab you are doing.” Of course, Biden now supports the Obama Administration’s plan to use reconciliation to push Obamacare through the Senate with only 50 votes (and his tie breaking vote).
A common theme of all of the Democratic Senators remarks in 2005 revolves around the destruction of the “Republic” and the elimination of the “checks and balances” intended by the Founders that would ensue should President Bush succeed in his effort to use reconciliation. Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY), who is now leading the Senate effort to pass a public option through reconciliation, had this to say on 5/18/2005 about Bush’s attempt to use reconciliation:
“We are on the precipice of a crisis, a constitutional crisis. The checks and balances which have been at the core of this Republic are about to be evaporated by the nuclear option. The checks and balances which say if you get 51% of the vote, you dont get your way 100% of the time. It is amazing its almost a temper tantrum.”
Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein (D-Ca.) also condemned Bush for attempting to use reconciliation, stating if used reconciliation would mean “the Senate becomes ipso facto, the House of Representatives” while also showing her more dire concern is the use of reconciliation for substantive legislation, not judicial nominees, by stating Bush will start with reconciliation for judicial nominees but then move on to its use in legislation.

Perhaps most bombastic of all in 2005 regarding Bush’s attempted use of reconciliation is Democratic Senator Max Baucus (D-ND), who solemnly stated that “[t]his is the way that Democracy ends not with a bomb, but with a gavel”. Of course, Bush did not actually use reconciliation to get his nominees through the Senate as a bipartisan deal was reached.
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The Left always has an excuse as to why it does the very thing they complained about the other side trying to do. See Direckshun for more info.
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Doesn't matter, it is an abuse of power and hypocrisy. Here are some more from 2005:

Present Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also chimed in with a verbal barrage on 5/23/2005 against then President Bush about controlling himself and calling upon her GOP collegues to go to Bush and tell him reconciliation is “a bridge to far” and that “you have to restrain yourself Mr. President.”

Vice President Joe Biden weighed in with his familiar bombastic rhetoric in 2005 as well, stating that “this nuclear option is ultimately an example of the arrogance of power…it is a fundamental power grab” and further opining in prayer that “”I pray God when the Democrats take back control we don’t make the kind of naked power grab you are doing.” Of course, Biden now supports the Obama Administration’s plan to use reconciliation to push Obamacare through the Senate with only 50 votes (and his tie breaking vote).
A common theme of all of the Democratic Senators remarks in 2005 revolves around the destruction of the “Republic” and the elimination of the “checks and balances” intended by the Founders that would ensue should President Bush succeed in his effort to use reconciliation. Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY), who is now leading the Senate effort to pass a public option through reconciliation, had this to say on 5/18/2005 about Bush’s attempt to use reconciliation:
“We are on the precipice of a crisis, a constitutional crisis. The checks and balances which have been at the core of this Republic are about to be evaporated by the nuclear option. The checks and balances which say if you get 51% of the vote, you dont get your way 100% of the time. It is amazing its almost a temper tantrum.”
Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein (D-Ca.) also condemned Bush for attempting to use reconciliation, stating if used reconciliation would mean “the Senate becomes ipso facto, the House of Representatives” while also showing her more dire concern is the use of reconciliation for substantive legislation, not judicial nominees, by stating Bush will start with reconciliation for judicial nominees but then move on to its use in legislation.

Perhaps most bombastic of all in 2005 regarding Bush’s attempted use of reconciliation is Democratic Senator Max Baucus (D-ND), who solemnly stated that “[t]his is the way that Democracy ends not with a bomb, but with a gavel”. Of course, Bush did not actually use reconciliation to get his nominees through the Senate as a bipartisan deal was reached.
Generally speaking, I at least try to link to the stuff I'm posting.

http://centristnetblog.com/tag/verbal-barrage/
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Old 07-15-2013, 12:22 PM   #8
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Correction:

Harry Reid is still preserving the "talking filibuster" for Presidential nominations.

The filibuster simply cannot be "called in," as is now the norm, when it comes to Presidential nominations. It must be physically presented.

I will see if I can correct the thread's title.
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Old 07-15-2013, 12:27 PM   #9
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Generally speaking, I at least try to link to the stuff I'm posting.

http://centristnetblog.com/tag/verbal-barrage/
Generally speaking, you spout off nothing but Democratic Party talking points.

Both parties are the same on this issue. When they are in the majority, they are in favor of the change to make it easier for them to pass their agenda, and when they are in the minority, they are adamant about keeping it the status quo.

The filibuster is the most powerful tool that the minority has in its tool box, and while I would agree it needs some minor tweaking (I would be in favor of physically requiring a filibuster...make those minority Senators speak on the floor of the Senate like in the old days)...changing things to majority rule only would make the Senate just like the House, and would undermine the need for two houses of Congress.

The problem is not with the rules of the House and Senate....the problem is with the legislators and the White House, and the lack of willingness and ability to come to any form of compromise.

Direckshun would blame this all on the GOP. Anyone with any common sense at all would see that both sides have contributed to the problem, and that both sides are going to have to contribute to a solution.
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Correction:

Harry Reid is still preserving the "talking filibuster" for Presidential nominations.

The filibuster simply cannot be "called in," as is now the norm, when it comes to Presidential nominations. It must be physically presented.

I will see if I can correct the thread's title.
I would be okay with that, if that was the only change. If something is important enough to warrant a filibuster, it is important enough for the minority party to show up on the floor of the Senate and physically filibuster it.
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Old 07-15-2013, 12:31 PM   #11
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Generally speaking, I at least try to link to the stuff I'm posting.

http://centristnetblog.com/tag/verbal-barrage/
So, you have google and found it, didn't you. Mission accomplished
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Senate GOP's nuclear option was threatened to be absolute. Reid's is to concern Presidential nominations specifically.
That's not correct. The GOP's concern at the time was judicial nominations. I believe that talk at the time suggested that the nuclear option would cover all Presidential nominations but not legislation. But that distinction isn't really important either. The important distinction is that then it was democrats trying to frustrate a Republican President and now it's Republicans frustrating a democrat president.

When Harry Reid had the opportunity to endorse filibuster reform on the basis of principle, he opposed it. Now that he can do it on the basis of partisan advantage, he's all for it.
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Harry Reid is still preserving the "talking filibuster" for Presidential nominations.

The filibuster simply cannot be "called in," as is now the norm, when it comes to Presidential nominations. It must be physically presented.

I will see if I can correct the thread's title.
Remember what you just said about linking things. Link?
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I would be okay with that, if that was the only change. If something is important enough to warrant a filibuster, it is important enough for the minority party to show up on the floor of the Senate and physically filibuster it.
If that's all it is, I don't think it's even a rule change. I think the way filibusters have been handled without anyone actually reading the phone book has just been an informal agreement based on practicalities.
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Harry Reid loves the filibuster, except when he hates it. He loves illegal immigration (now), except when he hates it (1990s). He loves gay marriage (now) except when he hates it (1996). He loves the Iraq War (voted yes in 2002) except when he hated it (post-2005).



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