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Old 07-16-2013, 09:59 PM  
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Interesting Study Regarding US Nonbelievers, Re: Categories Of Atheism

On June 6th of this year at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga (UTC) Departments of Psychology and Learning and Leadership, completed research focused on nonbelief within the United States. This project was designed and implemented by Christopher F. Silver doctoral candidate and Thomas J. Coleman III a student at UTC. The research sought to explore the complexities of nonbelief identity in the United States.

http://www.atheismresearch.com/
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:37 AM   #76
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God had to be there first in order you not to believe in him....
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:04 AM   #77
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God had to be there first in order you not to believe in him....
Bigfoot too!

I knew it, everything I don't believe in is real!!!

I'm running out now to get that 100% buttermilk ice cream cone that causes me to lose 2 lbs per cone.

Thanks sr for explaining how stuff works once again!!
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 07-22-2013, 12:15 AM   #78
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Bigfoot too!
is it possible there is life in the universe, other than what we know of on our planet? is it also possible that this life is more advanced than us? perhaps not even carbon-based?
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:01 AM   #79
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is it possible there is life in the universe, other than what we know of on our planet? is it also possible that this life is more advanced than us? perhaps not even carbon-based?
I have no problem with any of those statements and in fact I would say it is an extremely high probability of being true
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Old 07-22-2013, 02:14 PM   #80
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I have no problem with any of those statements and in fact I would say it is an extremely high probability of being true
could it also be possible that primitive people, thousands of years ago, came into contact with something like that, and thought it must be a god? that could be reason for setting up religions and sacrifices and so on.
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Old 07-22-2013, 02:52 PM   #81
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could it also be possible that primitive people, thousands of years ago, came into contact with something like that, and thought it must be a god? that could be reason for setting up religions and sacrifices and so on.
Or it could just be that man abhors a vacuum. Where knowledge ends, superstition begins. This has been the case down through history. I'll let Neil DeGrasse Tyson explain it far better than my ability.

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Old 07-22-2013, 09:37 PM   #82
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could it also be possible that primitive people, thousands of years ago, came into contact with something like that, and thought it must be a god? that could be reason for setting up religions and sacrifices and so on.
If you take the messages of most of the founders of the world's greatest religions as allegory, and their respective sacred texts as interpretations of the message rather than the literal word of God, it starts to make a lot more sense.
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:25 AM   #83
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Or it could just be that man abhors a vacuum. Where knowledge ends, superstition begins. This has been the case down through history. I'll let Neil DeGrasse Tyson explain it far better than my ability.

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If you take the messages of most of the founders of the world's greatest religions as allegory, and their respective sacred texts as interpretations of the message rather than the literal word of God, it starts to make a lot more sense.
i was merely asking what are the limits of possibility, not suggesting such a thing actually happened.
can either of you say the situation in my previous post is absolutely impossible?
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:08 AM   #84
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Or it could just be that man abhors a vacuum. Where knowledge ends, superstition begins. This has been the case down through history. I'll let Neil DeGrasse Tyson explain it far better than my ability.
thanks for that video, the last 2 minutes was funny
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:54 AM   #85
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I enjoy indepth interesting debates on religion in real life but its hard to find. I've convinced many people that the is no evidence for religion and had them change their position. Online they just run away because there is no defense that works.
No evidence for religion? Or do you mean just Christianity?

Have you ever seriously considered what the world would be like without religion? Take religion of any kind out of the equation since you say there is no evidence for religion. Tell us what left and what a great place this world would be like then.

Morals, principles, values, lifestyles, and even laws stem from it. I’m not saying none of those would exist without religion but a great void would exist.
Your pockets would not be quite as deep for without religion, dare I say Christianity, what charities are left to step in.

Hinduism, the Vedas, Upanishads, Unified Reality, philosophy, Judaism, Islam, etc. wouldn’t exist.
Oh and atheist, anti-theist, agnostic, etc. would exist. There would be no need.

What guiding principles would you live by? Careful though they may have stemed from a religion.

How many fewer posts would you have? Seems like that right there would be "evidence for religion".
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OK let me re-state and say there is no evidence for superstition or divine / supernatural deities.
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Personally, I am probably the apathetic agnostic. I wouldn't presume to know and no amount of hand-wringing is going to prove or disprove anybody's personal theories, so why should I waste energy on the topic? I just live life as best I can by my moral compass and that had better be good enough if some deity sits in judgement of me.
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Have you ever seriously considered what the world would be like without religion? Take religion of any kind out of the equation since you say there is no evidence for religion. Tell us what left and what a great place this world would be like then.
Yes, religion has no special place in civilization other then inspiring some great art.

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Not true. For humans to function as tribal animals certain social mores must be present. Those that violate those mores are shunned from the group or killed by the group. Such mores like don't steal, don't commit murder, don't injure tribal members, and don't steal other tribal members mate. Being shunned by a tribal group was akin to death in the hunter-gather society. When cities and towns formed, they translated those mores into codified laws. Your deity of choice had nothing to do with it.

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I’m not saying none of those would exist without religion but a great void would exist.
Your pockets would not be quite as deep for without religion, dare I say Christianity, what charities are left to step in.
Mutual aid societies exist just fine without any religious bent whatsoever.

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Hinduism, the Vedas, Upanishads, Unified Reality, philosophy, Judaism, Islam, etc. wouldn’t exist.
The early philosophers thought that anybody who actually believed in the gods to be rather childlike. Socrates Euthyphro dialogue is a good example of that.

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The non-aggression principle which almost every religion has violated on multiple occasions. Now, some religious people have mouthed this but it all starts with Epicurus.
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OK let me re-state and say there is no evidence for superstition or divine / supernatural deities.
Actually there is, but you'd have to be served a miracle on plate to believe it.

Try googling "fatima miracle" where an entire portuguese village witnessed an hours long spectacular in the sky after two young local sisters witnessed an angel.

I digress, sorry i even tried Dave... carry on.
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The 'dance of the Sun' was not a movement of the Sun itself, since it was not reported or recorded anywhere else apart from that crowd of people, who had been primed to expect a 'miracle'. So it had to be a local phenomenon, either a psychological mass 'hysteria', or a local atmospheric effect, or even a combination of both.

Staring too much at the sun is going to cause all kinds of visual problems, including extra spots in your vision.

Not everyone reported seeing it.

There is a strong urge in a group of believers to not appear to be the 'odd one out' at such an event, so those who can't see it will assume they are not looking 'properly', or there eyes have been temporarily blinded by the sun, or they simply can't see it in the glare.

Here is a good skeptical account:

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4110

Here is another account, not from a specifically skeptical site, but the major part of the article is based on an account in a book by Joe Nickell, a serious and widely respected investigator of the paranormal, who is definitely skeptically inclined.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Atheism-2724/Fatima.htm
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