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Huma Abedin (Weiner) & "liberal feminism"

Hilarious. A liberal feminist stands by her man, Tammy Wynette style. And it's been noted in the press this week that Huma (for some reason she's just too feminist to take her hubby's name) worked as Hillary's right hand woman for many years.



So that's where she learned it.


Anyway, that's where we are today in the "War On Women". Liberal feminists are just peachy with philandering (and rumored abusive) horndogs like Weiner, Clinton, Gore, John Edwards, on and on. Fidelity is a joke to these new age gals, screw around on them as you wish. But don't you dare touch my abortions! That would be war, dammit.

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Old 07-28-2013, 05:55 PM   #136
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Here's an interesting concept: More women graduate from college than men, yet women earn 81 cents on the dollar in comparison to men. A woman with the same qualifications and the same credentials as a male earns about 6-7% less than a male..

Dead wrong, like usual. The pay gap is a total myth:


The Department of Labor’s Time Use Survey, for example, finds that the average full-time working man spends 8.14 hours a day on the job, compared to 7.75 hours for the full-time working woman. Employees who work more likely earn more. Men work five percent longer than women.

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Old 07-28-2013, 05:56 PM   #137
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The purpose of this essay is NOT to prove Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin are lesbians, but to raise the question:
If they are daughters of Sapphos wouldn’t it have been a good deal for Anthony Weiner to become Huma’s beard or faux husband?

Killing any rumor of a lesbian relationship between Hillary and Huma would be very helpful to Hillary’s drive to be elected president, and a “President Hillary Clinton” would be enormously helpful to Weiner’s long held dream of being elected Mayor of New York City.

The coverage of Weinergate has nibbled around the edges. The reports have carefully avoided mentioning the scandal’s “third rail”: the relationship between Huma Abedin Congressman Anthony Weiner’s wife and her former boss Hillary Clinton. Nevertheless, if this is the root of the relationship between Huma and Weiner the whole ugly affair falls into place.

Bill Clinton understands all to well what it’s like to live with a women like Hillary. He knows what it can drive an ordinary man to do. Anthony Weiner’s tweets to a porn star may be motivated by more than mere curiosity.

The biggest motivators driving human behavior are money power and sex. This one has all three.
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Old 07-28-2013, 06:20 PM   #138
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Here's an interesting concept: More women graduate from college than men, yet women earn 81 cents on the dollar in comparison to men. A woman with the same qualifications and the same credentials as a male earns about 6-7% less than a male.

It's absolutely astounding that you think opposing discrimination is somehow a communist ideal. Then again, you don't really understand any of the political labels you throw out, so it's not terribly surprising coming from you.
Equal pay for equal work is EXACTLY that and most free-market classical liberals are astute enough to know this. Also, it's another wage and price control which falls into the same camp.
So you can deflect all you want by focusing on me with a logical fallacy. You've obviously conceded the point here.

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This is completely false.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics has found pay inequities in nearly every job category. Female college professors make 77 percent of male college professors' salaries; female computer programers make 81 percent. For reporters it's 76 percent.
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On average, women in America earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns.
Gretchen Gagel McComb, president and chief executive of the Women's Foundation of Colorado, said the disparity can't be dismissed as the consequence of choices women make in their careers or time off for child-rearing.
Well she's wrong and I've already parsed this before somewhere in this forum with numbers and facts.

And even if true, it's not the business of the federal govt or even the state govts. It's social engineering in the market place.


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Much of the pay inequity is the result of discrimination, plain and simple.
Remember, discrimination laws are based on stemming from animus to a certain group, because as you should know, we all discriminate daily in order to survive. There's no proof of this being due to animus toward women just for being women.

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That's complete horseshit. I said nothing about every being equal. What I have said, and what I will continue to say, is that woman of equal qualifications are not given equal compensation. That is unfair.
That's not any different than what I said. Men with equal qualifications don't always get the same pay either. Some do a better job, despite qualifications on paper. No one's capacity or capabilities are equal despite their schooling, experience etc. So it may not always be "unfair"—a very subjective idea.

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A very interesting study was performed a few years ago. Adults were asked to watch infants crawl up an inclined plane. The infants were dressed in such a way that it was impossible to note their biological sex. Despite the fact that there is no difference in strength between a female and male infant, respondents took the female off the ramp 30 percent sooner if they knew her sex than if they didn't.
So.

There's no difference in strength? There certainly is a difference in muscle mass. Have you ever picked up a baby girl and a baby boy around the same ages or even comparable sizes. Boys are heavier.

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That's one example, I can give you dozens of others.
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Here's a particularly interesting one. Larry Summers (yeah, that guy) caused a hell of a shitstorm when he was President at Harvard because he said, in an open forum nonetheless, that women did not succeed at the rate men did in the sciences because their brains weren't capable of thinking that way.
So.
How many women choose the sciences over other subjects? And why?

Actually, I don't particularly care.
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Thanks for proving my point WRT: the "dyke" stigma. She's a dyke because she has a strong personality?
No she plays the dyke because she has the domineering personality. I didn't say "strong."
One can be strong and not domineering.

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Have you been lobotomized?
Aren't you part of the "tolerant" left?
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Can you point me to one scientific study that demonstrates what a strong personality is and if lesbians are more likely to have strong personalities? Cause I'd love to see it?
Where did I say that? You're using a straw man here too. I didn't say it was lesbians either. I just know that one partner in such relationships plays the butch role more from my experience hanging out and even living among them at one time.

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Moreover, where is this proof that Hillary is actually gay?
I don't know that there's full proof. I do know what Bill Clinton said to Gennifer Flowers, about her affairs with women, the sexual kiss to Huma noticed by others and caught on video etc.

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And who cares either way?
Apparently you do. If you followed the thread and what some others have said, you'd know why I posted it instead of reacting emotionally and angrily. You're reacting and going into logical fallacies.

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This is where your complete ignorance of irony really paints you the fool--you ascribe these identities onto someone based upon perceived beliefs of how a group acts, and while you spout off in the same post that you support a cadre of various rights for individuals.
Gee, I thought that's what you were doing since you're obviously using group identity—in this case women, when I made the case for individuals, including their property rights and markets.

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I'll address your misidentification of my political philosophy in a future post. My RAM can only handle about eight gigabytes of stupid.
Awe! Frankly I'm not interested in talking to an angry man. And you were the one who used the term "anarcho socialist" and explained it before. You have a sense of property that is communistic. This is exactly where you're coming from on equal pay for equal work—to bully businesses to pay a certain amount to women because it's "fair" /whining+victim+loserish tone] Well, actually this would be the fascist model. So I apologize for such a serious faux pas!

Oh some feminist Hillary turned out to be riding the coat tails of her husband.
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Old 07-28-2013, 06:43 PM   #139
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American women aren’t the victims of a sexist economy.

The wage gap statistic, however, doesn’t compare two similarly situated co-workers of different sexes, working in the same industry, performing the same work, for the same number of hours a day. [I]It merely reflects the median earnings of all men and women classified as full-time workers.[/i]

The Department of Labor’s Time Use Survey, for example, finds that the average full-time working man spends 8.14 hours a day on the job, compared to 7.75 hours for the full-time working woman. Employees who work more likely earn more. Men working five percent longer than women alone explains about one-quarter of the wage gap.

There are numerous other factors that affect pay. Most fundamentally, men and women tend to gravitate toward different industries. Feminists may charge that women are socialized into lower-paying sectors of the economy. But women considering the decisions they’ve made likely have a different view. Women tend to seek jobs with regular hours, more comfortable conditions, little travel, and greater personal fulfillment. Often times, women are willing to trade higher pay for jobs with other characteristics that they find attractive.

Men, in contrast, often take jobs with less desirable characteristics in pursuit of higher pay. They work long hours and overnight shifts. They tar roofs in the sun, drive trucks across the country, toil in sewer systems, stand watch as prison guards, and risk injury on fishing boats, in coal mines, and in production plants. Such jobs pay more than others because otherwise no one would want to do them.

Unsurprisingly, children play an important role in men and women’s work-life decisions. Simply put, women who have children or plan to have children tend to be willing to trade higher pay for more kid-friendly positions. In contrast, men with children typically seek to earn more money in order to support children, sometimes taking on more hours and less attractive positions to do so.
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More on pay gap is a myth:

Women only make 77% of what men make? Still doesn't compare apples to apples.



A 2009 study commissioned by the Department of Labor found that after controlling for occupation, experience, and other choices, women earn 95 percent as much as men do. In 2005, June O’Neill, the former director of the Congressional Budget Office, found that “There is no gender gap in wages among men and women with similar family roles.” Different choices—not discrimination—account for different employment and wage outcomes.

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Ah, the catch-word of "any repute." I already mentioned two, one a former FBI who worked at the WH, Bill Cinton's former lover, and a SS, whose name I can't give you. Nothing will ever be good enough for you.

My point originally was that Huma was riding Hillary's coattails due to such a relationship which I said has been a rumored relationship; and possibly also her husband Weiner's coattails—just as Hillary has done. Ya' know adding to what was brought up in this thread? Plus someone mentioned conservatives loving cock and hypocrite conservatives that are outed as gay. So why not out Hillary who is pro-gay? Get it?

What happened was you reacted to it.


See my last sentence just above in this same post. I also did not say I was "non-discriminatory" either.


I don't know and don't think it matters. Particularly, since I was one of those business women once who serviced other business owners —male and female. So your question should be: "How is that any different than being black? "


Nope. You don't. I do. You restated my position in your own words to make mine other than stated or different. Then you thought you took that position down.


I sourced two books. One more direct. You ignored that. So quit straw manning or lying.
Yes. Any repute is actually worthwhile. That's why you don't let students quote some ****tard's blog. An FBI agent with an axe to grind that writes a wholly discredited book is not a reputable source.

And a "rumored" relationship is bullshit. I could say that Michelle Bachman is rumored to be ****ing Ahmedinajad. It's a rumor with no basis in reality. Stop using weasel words.
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If you want to find something just use google. Because where I heard this material about Hillary has floated around for years in conservative press and by people who work in DC—way back into the early 90's. She showed a strong preference for hiring gay women was circumstantial. Here's the New Yorker but it does refer to the Enquirer. However, the Enquirer got the John Edward's story right and a few others: Bruno Maglis shoes of OJ, Gary Hart, Rush. But look at the first comment. That's one where I heard it, specifically that she was caught in bed with Markie Post of Night Court.

The Huma rumor happened when Hillary kissed her on the mouth and not quickly emerging from her limo and that they had been together constantly. There was a video showing this. I don't remember who reported that.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...-enquirer.html


So, because the Enquirer hits .050, it's now a worthwhile source? Give me a ****ing break. And of course the conservative press would leak that; they're the same morons who spun the myth that the Clinton's murdered Vince Foster, which I'm sure you believe.
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Libertarian and former leftist argues the myth of the pay gap being from discrimination by men:

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Women only make 77% of what men make? Still doesn't compare apples to apples.


A 2009 study commissioned by the Department of Labor found that after controlling for occupation, experience, and other choices, women earn 95 percent as much as men do. In 2005, June O’Neill, the former director of the Congressional Budget Office, found that “There is no gender gap in wages among men and women with similar family roles.” Different choices—not discrimination—account for different employment and wage outcomes.

Did you even read the post you responded to? If you did, I'm not sure you comprehended it.

Did you miss the point where I showed you that normalized data between men and women, when accounting for experience, education, and qualifications, demonstrate that men earn 5-7% more than women, or do you think that I was going to forget that?

And your video is complete bullshit, because they do compare apples to apples:

From a Congressional Report:

The gender wage gap persists across a wide spectrum of occupations.
28 Female attorneys earn just 80.5 cents for every dollar earned by their male counterparts, and female physicians and surgeons earn 64.4 cents on the dollar. Women in retail sales earn 70.6 cents for every dollar earned by men in retail sales, an d female truck drivers earn just 76.4 cents on the dollar. A recentGovernment Accountability Office (GAO) study requested by Chair Maloney and Representative John Dingell examined the pay gap amongst women and men employed in managementoccupations, and found that full -
time female managers earn 81 cents for every dollar earned by
their male manager peers.
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This figure accounts for many observable differences between male and female managers, so the remaining 19 cent gap between men and women may be attributableto discriminatory practices. The gender pay gap amongst managers remained persistent between 2000 and 2007, the most recent year of available data.


These aren't people working different jobs, these are people working the same jobs.
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Walter Block again? You guys rely on this discredited stooge more than Lew Rockwell.

If there isn't a pay gap, then explain the data in my previous post? How does that happen?
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Men take harder jobs, like driving trucks across the country. Yet when women take these same jobs and get paid less, the logic of the Forbes article is...what, exactly?
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It was already explained that it was not caused by discrimination. Whoosh! It went over your head.

Oh and Block is a contributor to Lew Rockwell's site—the most widely read libertarian site on the internet.
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Did you say something else Hamas? I think it's time you put this in its own thread.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:06 PM   #150
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Women only make 77% of what men make?
Well, at least President Hillary will help us cut back on the budget in one area
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