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Old 07-26-2013, 09:09 PM  
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Father of SEAL Team Member Claims His Son Was Set Up

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Charles Strange, the father of one the 22 SEALs killed when their helicopter was shot down by Afghan insurgents in August, told Michael Savage on his radio broadcast that he undoubtedly believes that his son and the rest of the SEALs were set up.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=14245387

Charles Strange told Savage that on multiple occasions he and family were approached by his son Michael and were informed of a will he had prepared because of information that had leaked within the SEAL unit.

“Something’s going on with the team. Somebody’s leaking things out. Something’s going on.” Charles recalled his son saying.

“Your son knew he was being sent to his death?” asked Savage.

“They knew something was up,” answered Strange

Strange reveals that other families had experienced similar behavior from their Navy SEAL relative at the same time.


Documents obtained by Strange related to the crash breakdown how a rescue team was held back from aiding the SEALs onboard the attacked helicopter.

When asked if he thought his son was set up on purpose Strange replied, “100% sir, Petraeus left ten days after it happened, he disappeared to the CIA then Benghazi happened..Admiral Eric Olson left two days after the crash on August 8th.”

“This was all planned..I have it in the paper work.” explained Strange.

In result of the publicly expressed concern by the SEALs' families the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, Jason Chaffetz, plans to launch a congressional probe into the mysterious case of the 22 dead SEALs.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/31...hal-seal-crash

Among other suspicions raised by Strange in the interview is the fact that the black boxes inside the helicopter were never recovered.

A flash flood was the explanation given to Strange for the missing boxes.

Similar to the Michael Hastings questionable car crash narrative being pushed out by authorities, the killed SEAL members were cremated. An idea pushed onto the families by the Navy.

http://eyesopenreport.com/michael-ha...-to-have-body/

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/07/...er-claims.html
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Old 07-27-2013, 07:55 AM   #16
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Freud once said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." Some of you kooks would do well to consider that thought from time to time.
This conspiracy is along the same lines that Bush allowed 9/11 to take place on purpose so we would go to war.

We got set up. Just like Jordanian Dr who took out the CIA officers.

It's war, sometimes the other side wins battles.
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Old 07-27-2013, 08:17 AM   #17
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I remember thinking at the time of the incident that something smelled rotten in Denmark.

We lost some of our best men that day this country should hang their head in shame.
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Old 07-27-2013, 08:24 AM   #18
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I remember thinking at the time of the incident that something smelled rotten in Denmark.

We lost some of our best men that day this country should hang their head in shame.
I assume this is sarcasm. Well played.
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Old 07-27-2013, 08:58 AM   #19
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Freud once said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." Some of you kooks would do well to consider that thought from time to time.
thx for clearing this up...
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Old 07-27-2013, 09:50 AM   #20
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A cigar is just a cigar? I would look deeper, i'm sure it has some sort of spying apparatus.
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Old 07-27-2013, 10:57 AM   #21
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Similar to the Michael Hastings questionable car crash narrative being pushed out by authorities, the killed SEAL members were cremated. An idea pushed onto the families by the Navy.
I believe Michael Hastings was murdered and his family opposed him being cremated too. Nevertheless he was cremated against his family's wishes. He was onto a BIG story, he claimed just before his "accident." He didn't tell his wife where he was going to protect her.
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Old 07-27-2013, 08:00 PM   #22
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Sorely busted on the timeline, but not on the unit.

Now that you've partially got me, what are your thoughts on this?


You guys know this is NOT the Seal Team 6 team that hit OBL, right? That Seal Team 6 has a number of different teams, and this is one of the OTHER ones...?
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Old 07-27-2013, 09:09 PM   #23
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You guys know this is NOT the Seal Team 6 team that hit OBL, right? That Seal Team 6 has a number of different teams, and this is one of the OTHER ones...?
Yes, i'm fully aware of that.

The teams are much bigger than any particular tasking that goes on a given mission... i want to believe basically what BRC said, maybe sometimes the bear wins.

I believe in all kinds of conspiracies, but i just cant wrap my head around OBL being some completely phony construct of the CIA or Halliburton(dirty as they are) etc... ONE of these all-american, uberpatriotic SEALS or someone else (there are plenty of good and decent people still left in our system) would've spilled the beans by now.

But an entire chopper chock full of our very best? The single biggest loss of life in the conflict?... it simply doesnt jibe, those guys have the very best special-ops pilots available, the very best equipment available, the very best intelligence and tactics available... something sucks about this beyond the obvious.
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Old 07-28-2013, 06:35 AM   #24
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Yes, i'm fully aware of that.

The teams are much bigger than any particular tasking that goes on a given mission... i want to believe basically what BRC said, maybe sometimes the bear wins.

I believe in all kinds of conspiracies, but i just cant wrap my head around OBL being some completely phony construct of the CIA or Halliburton(dirty as they are) etc... ONE of these all-american, uberpatriotic SEALS or someone else (there are plenty of good and decent people still left in our system) would've spilled the beans by now.

But an entire chopper chock full of our very best? The single biggest loss of life in the conflict?... it simply doesnt jibe, those guys have the very best special-ops pilots available, the very best equipment available, the very best intelligence and tactics available... something sucks about this beyond the obvious.
They weren't pilots or aircrew from special operations; they were from the National Guard.

The SEAL platoon planned that operation in conjunction with the pilots; they don't just run on the back of the bird and give a thumbs up. This includes the ground tactical plan (the objective or target), landing plan (LZ, distance to target, security, etc), air movement plan (the flight route and timings), loading plan and staging plan. THEN...There is a Joint Mission Brief where both the pilots and the ground commander back brief their plans, and make sure there aren't any conflicts. This is done hours out from wheels up...

The U.S. Army Ranger platoon (diverted from another mission) that was sent to the crash site to recover bodies and sensitive items stayed away for 24 hours because the aircraft fuselage was burning too hot- they couldn't get close (think of what it's made of, plus fuel). There were very little identifiable human remains...

My heart goes out to Mr. Strange and he has every right to know the intimate details of his son's death. But the more likely scenario is the flight route took them over a KNOWN very bad area- which they circled back over for another attempt at landing before succumbing to withering enemy fire.
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Old 07-28-2013, 06:53 AM   #25
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There were plenty of lies told in the official story that the Obama admin gave us for the OBL killing. I think most of the reason for that could be explained by them not wanting the world to know that there was never any desire to capture him, it was easiest for everyone involved if OBL was killed during the raid and dumped off at sea. We were told that he was using a woman as a shield, that he was armed, etc. Those were all lies. It was just an extra judicial killing which in the case OBL, I don't really have a problem with.

If you believe in conspiracy theories at least this one is easier to believe in than most of the stupid ones, like "9/11 was an inside job". Something like that doesn't pass any logical test, and too many people would be involved, etc.

In this case, if for some reason you believed that the government wanted to dispose of the people from the OBL raid to prevent some secret from getting out, it would be possible to believe that perhaps the CIA could have had someone with a shoulder fired missile take down a helicopter. That conspiracy would only require a couple of people.

There are still numerous problems with that theory. Not all of these people were involved in the raid, and there were numerous others who were hat were not killed in this incident, so if they wanted to eliminate everyone why didn't they finish the job? If "they" were planning such a thing, the ideal time would have been during the raid itself.

None of this makes any sense on the "if you were going to do it, you wouldn't do it like this" level.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:41 AM   #26
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There were plenty of lies told in the official story that the Obama admin gave us for the OBL killing. I think most of the reason for that could be explained by them not wanting the world to know that there was never any desire to capture him, it was easiest for everyone involved if OBL was killed during the raid and dumped off at sea. We were told that he was using a woman as a shield, that he was armed, etc. Those were all lies. It was just an extra judicial killing which in the case OBL, I don't really have a problem with.

If you believe in conspiracy theories at least this one is easier to believe in than most of the stupid ones, like "9/11 was an inside job". Something like that doesn't pass any logical test, and too many people would be involved, etc.

In this case, if for some reason you believed that the government wanted to dispose of the people from the OBL raid to prevent some secret from getting out, it would be possible to believe that perhaps the CIA could have had someone with a shoulder fired missile take down a helicopter. That conspiracy would only require a couple of people.

There are still numerous problems with that theory. Not all of these people were involved in the raid, and there were numerous others who were hat were not killed in this incident, so if they wanted to eliminate everyone why didn't they finish the job? If "they" were planning such a thing, the ideal time would have been during the raid itself.

None of this makes any sense on the "if you were going to do it, you wouldn't do it like this" level.
Yup...Why send a raiding force into Pakistan at all? Why not hit the compound with JDAMs from a B1B and be done with it? Remember Abu Musab al Zarqawi? Another SOF unit was tracking this guy, and was ready to launch on target but the decision was made to do a kinetic strike (precision guided munitions). Effect = same. I can get DNA from the ketchup/mustard stains he left behind, OR...I can put dudes on the ground- burn him face-to-face and immediately confirm 'Geronimo'.

I highlighted your quote from above because maybe there is UAV footage of the CH47 shoot down. Maybe it was a f**ked up insertion with lots of RPG fire that dropped that bird like rock when it was flaring for landing...
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:48 AM   #27
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Yup...Why send a raiding force into Pakistan at all? Why not hit the compound with JDAMs from a B1B and be done with it? Remember Abu Musab al Zarqawi? Another SOF unit was tracking this guy, and was ready to launch on target but the decision was made to do a kinetic strike (precision guided munitions). Effect = same. I can get DNA from the ketchup/mustard stains he left behind, OR...I can put dudes on the ground- burn him face-to-face and immediately confirm 'Geronimo'.

I highlighted your quote from above because maybe there is UAV footage of the CH47 shoot down. Maybe it was a f**ked up insertion with lots of RPG fire that dropped that bird like rock when it was flaring for landing...
do you think the folks asking for more detailed info regarding their children are nuts?
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do you think the folks asking for more detailed info regarding their children are nuts?
At what point did I say anyone was nuts? What I did in previous posts was highlight facts based on my knowledge of the situation in particular, and based on experience in general.

The families deserve to know as much detailed information as they require to feel at peace. For instance, the circumstances and aftermath concerning the death of CPL Pat Tillman were an embarrassment, and should never have happened, nor happen again. I think Mr. Strange has every right to sweat the government for answers or details.

But this wasn't a conspiracy to murder a SEAL platoon.
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With all of the bad shit that's gone on with this govt admin and it's foreign policy blunders the past 10-15 yrs it is simply ****ing amazing that you people wouldn't think something like this would happen.

Our govt is ****ing running Al-Qaeda in Syria now. The people that we're supposed to be fighting against are now being supported by our govt. Let that sink in for a bit. The people who hijacked airliners and attacked us, which in result led our govt taking our civil rights and shitting on them, are now being funded by our govt.

Al-Qaeda has been a CIA asset for years, dating back to the cold war. Read the Grand Chessboard and Zbigniew Brzezinski, former presidential advisor to Jimmy Carter and has other ties to other presidential admins, he talks all about it.

These people were taken on an old helicopter no one uses anymore in live action scenarios.

Look at these idiots try and cover up Benghazi...Just a bunch of ****ing chickens running around w/ their heads cut off disregarding hard evidence of emails etc, and they're trying to see who to blame. It's gotten so bad Hilary basically throws her hands up and say's **** it what difference does it make - I still own Washington, bitch.


They blew up the towers in a controlled demolition ton 9/11. They shot the plane down over Shanksville, PA, and a ****ing jetliner DID NOT hit the ****ing Pentagon. It was a bomb.

Just look at how much this govt has ****ing lied and lied and lied and lied left and right....and some people out......I mean jfc, STILL bow down to these goons and just will follow and love these evil clowns in DC unconditionally. And they're all bought and paid for by the gangsters that wrecked this economy on purpose to make a few handfuls ultra rich, then come in to play saviors in govt and through the federal reserve and NYSE chairs/boards revolving door are the same people that caused this god damn mess. They're trying to financially bankrupt the USA and turn us all into a 3rd world nation because these elitists think we've reached our peak. These people are evil and you liberals support the people that serve these assholes.

Republicans and these Neocon warmongering Fox News morons are not any better.
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The same govt that is telling to give up your rights because Osama Bin Laden is hiding in your closet is the same govt that's funding/arming these radical muslim extremists to overthrow govts that don't "get along w/ us" or aka give us your countries natural resources or else.
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