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Old 07-29-2013, 02:54 PM  
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Burger flippers want $15/hour

Like this will happen.

http://fox4kc.com/2013/07/29/kansas-...-minimum-wage/



KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Fifteen dollars an hour. That’s how much some fast food and retail workers say they deserve to make an hour. On Monday protests will happen in seven U.S. cities including Kansas City to push for the change.

The workers planning to protest say they want economic dignity. They say that means livable wages, benefits and humane working conditions. They say they can’t live or support their families on what they’re making.

Rallies are planned in Kansas City as well as New York City, Chicago, St. Louis, Washington D.C. and other cities.

Some workers say they plan to walk off the job in a one-day strike. Famed civil rights leader Reverend CT Vivian will lead Monday night’s events. Vivian worked alongside Dr. Martin Luther King Junior and has provided civil rights counsel to several presidents including presidents Reagan, Clinton and Obama.

Industry representatives say they can’t afford to pay employees more. They say most fast food restaurants operate on a meager profit margin making it impossible to increase wages.
Most fast food and retail workers make minimum wage. In Kansas that’s 7.25. In Missouri it’s 7.35. So 15 dollars would be more than double their current pay.

Monday’s rally starts at 6:30 at the Metropolitan Missionary Baptist Church in Kansas City Missouri.
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Old 07-30-2013, 06:36 AM   #61
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Remove safety net, and they might work towards a better job.

Overpay them, and watch them become stagnant and not grow.


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Old 07-30-2013, 06:38 AM   #62
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There's another way around this, don't eat garbage food like Jimmy Johns, or Mickey D's and the problem is solved.
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Old 07-30-2013, 06:43 AM   #63
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There's another way around this, don't eat garbage food like Jimmy Johns, or Mickey D's and the problem is solved.
You have to take that to the natural conclusion of never eating out again. Even sit down restaurants don't offer health plans or sick days or even a wage that would allow an employee to take a day off.
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Old 07-30-2013, 06:44 AM   #64
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Remove safety net, and they might work towards a better job.

Overpay them, and watch them become stagnant and not grow.


It goes both ways.
Yes, if you remove the safety net, chances are unions would get more popular. People wouldn't leave the industry in droves though, they would do what they are doing now, work to get better pay.

Overpay them and they become stagnant? no, provide some evidence for that.
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Old 07-30-2013, 06:47 AM   #65
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You have to take that to the natural conclusion of never eating out again. Even sit down restaurants don't offer health plans or sick days or even a wage that would allow an employee to take a day off.
I guess if it were me and I was butt hurt about my job, I would get some other kind of training and move on?
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Old 07-30-2013, 06:59 AM   #66
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I don't understand what the problem is here.

Workers, who want to earn more money, are not going to the government, but are working to better their own lives, through their own efforts, to negotiate with management.

How can you get any more freer than when both sides are allowed to negotiate the contract by which they both agree too?

And do you really want to continue to have these people to rely on the government to subsides their low pay?

You guys would rather pay more money in taxes to the social safety instead of seeing other Americans earn a pay for a 40 hour week that allows them to live outside extreme poverty. Why?

They don't deserve it isn't an answer. Any job in America for companies that make millions if not billions a year by operating in America can pay an American living standard wage.

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your post makes no sense.

A living wage for serving a hamburger, or taking an order? You can't be serious. You sound like the people at Wal-Mart.
Low skill is low pay. You want more pay, get more skill.
How will the McD employee add more value to the company by getting twice the pay?
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Old 07-30-2013, 07:02 AM   #67
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You do know that 15 dollars an hour is still less than 40,000 a year, which is still puts you in the bottom 40 percent of Americans, which is still very close to poverty.

/of course you don't know that, you can't do math
//go ahead and misrepresent their position to an extreme in order to, what? You are against Americans earning a better lifesytle
McDonalds employees deserve $40,000 a year.
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Old 07-30-2013, 07:03 AM   #68
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I'm all for it. Look around at the fatties. Probably the best way to fight the obesity pandemic across America. Do you complain about fat people raising your healthcare costs? Do you complain about about cigarette taxes raising to combat the scourge of combusting tobacco and it ill affects caused on society?
Let's just make it $50 an hour. And a car allowance.
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Old 07-30-2013, 07:05 AM   #69
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Holy shit, I was kidding but Loneiguana really thinks burger flippers should get $40,000 a year.
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Old 07-30-2013, 07:07 AM   #70
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Are they allowed to demand $15/hr? Sure. Do they deserve it? No.
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Old 07-30-2013, 07:07 AM   #71
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I don't understand what the problem is here.

Workers, who want to earn more money, are not going to the government, but are working to better their own lives, through their own efforts, to negotiate with management.

How can you get any more freer than when both sides are allowed to negotiate the contract by which they both agree too?

And do you really want to continue to have these people to rely on the government to subsides their low pay?

You guys would rather pay more money in taxes to the social safety instead of seeing other Americans earn a pay for a 40 hour week that allows them to live outside extreme poverty. Why?
Excellent points. The workers are simply exercising their rights in a free society. Nobody should have a problem with that. I know I don't. If they want to strike they should be free to do so, as long as they are willing to take the risk of the negative consequences that could go with it.

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They don't deserve it isn't an answer. Any job in America for companies that make millions if not billions a year by operating in America can pay an American living standard wage.
Those last two sentences turned an otherwise good and thoughtful post into something very different and dangerous. It really sounds like you are saying that companies should be forced to pay "an American living standard wage" to all workers regardless of the skills those workers bring to the table. After all, those companies can afford it, because they make "millions if not billions a year".

So in other words, a guy whose only skill is picking up trash "deserves" to make, what, $40,000 a year?

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need". Got it.
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Old 07-30-2013, 07:32 AM   #72
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your post makes no sense.

A living wage for serving a hamburger, or taking an order? You can't be serious. You sound like the people at Wal-Mart.
Low skill is low pay. You want more pay, get more skill.
How will the McD employee add more value to the company by getting twice the pay?
Of course that's the rational response. Funny we're hearing lectures from a guy who's never owned a business, never will, and may not have ever worked a job in his life.

At any rate businesses base their labor expenses on their revenues. So let's say the Jimmy John's did 1M in sales for a year, the place might allocate 500K for labor and 200K for food and 200K for incidentals.



If the labor goes up, Jimmy's still going to spend the same 500K for labor. He can't go higher. He will just use 8 employees rather than 12 (and the 8 remaining employees get paid more but they work harder - see the problem?)
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Old 07-30-2013, 07:44 AM   #73
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:15 AM   #74
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Yup, someone who work 40 hours a week should not be able to support themselves. People who work 40 hours a week should have to get help from the government.

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LOL.... WTF? No, not every 40 hour a week job is meant to support a family. Not every job is a dependable career. Don't be stupid. And the alternative is not government assistance.
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