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Old 07-29-2013, 02:54 PM  
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Burger flippers want $15/hour

Like this will happen.

http://fox4kc.com/2013/07/29/kansas-...-minimum-wage/



KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Fifteen dollars an hour. That’s how much some fast food and retail workers say they deserve to make an hour. On Monday protests will happen in seven U.S. cities including Kansas City to push for the change.

The workers planning to protest say they want economic dignity. They say that means livable wages, benefits and humane working conditions. They say they can’t live or support their families on what they’re making.

Rallies are planned in Kansas City as well as New York City, Chicago, St. Louis, Washington D.C. and other cities.

Some workers say they plan to walk off the job in a one-day strike. Famed civil rights leader Reverend CT Vivian will lead Monday night’s events. Vivian worked alongside Dr. Martin Luther King Junior and has provided civil rights counsel to several presidents including presidents Reagan, Clinton and Obama.

Industry representatives say they can’t afford to pay employees more. They say most fast food restaurants operate on a meager profit margin making it impossible to increase wages.
Most fast food and retail workers make minimum wage. In Kansas that’s 7.25. In Missouri it’s 7.35. So 15 dollars would be more than double their current pay.

Monday’s rally starts at 6:30 at the Metropolitan Missionary Baptist Church in Kansas City Missouri.
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:39 PM   #121
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Why has no one responded to this?
If McD's Big Mac is selling for $4.68 and BK is selling its Whopper for $4. What is my reason to pay more by going to McD?
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:40 PM   #122
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No, I'm sure Dubner and Levitt aren't suggesting the McDonald's diet, but it's an interesting response to the whole, "It's only X cents of an increase to get this kind of pay and treatment for workers."

One wonders how much of a small effect that price increase has on poor people that (like it or not) use McDonald's and other fast food chains as cost-efficient means of ingesting calories.

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The greatest food in human history
In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble

By KYLE SMITH
Last Updated: 8:35 PM, July 29, 2013
Posted: 10:35 PM, July 27, 2013

What is “the cheapest, most nutritious and bountiful food that has ever existed in human history” Hint: It has 390 calories. It contains 23g, or half a daily serving, of protein, plus 7% of daily fiber, 20% of daily calcium and so on.

Also, you can get it in 14,000 locations in the US and it usually costs $1. Presenting one of the unsung wonders of modern life, the McDonald’s McDouble cheeseburger.

The argument above was made by a commenter on the Freakonomics blog run by economics writer Stephen Dubner and professor Steven Levitt, who co-wrote the million-selling books on the hidden side of everything.

Dubner mischievously built an episode of his highly amusing weekly podcast around the debate. Many huffy back-to-the-earth types wrote in to suggest the alternative meal of boiled lentils. Great idea. Now go open a restaurant called McBoiled Lentils and see how many customers line up.

But we all know fast food makes us fat, right? Not necessarily. People who eat out tend to eat less at home that day in partial compensation; the net gain, according to a 2008 study out of Berkeley and Northwestern, is only about 24 calories a day.

The outraged replies to the notion of McDouble supremacy — if it’s not the cheapest, most nutritious and most bountiful food in human history, it has to be pretty close — comes from the usual coalition of class snobs, locavore foodies and militant anti-corporate types. I say usual because these people are forever proclaiming their support for the poor and for higher minimum wages that would supposedly benefit McDonald’s workers. But they’re completely heartless when it comes to the other side of the equation: cost.

Driving up McDonald’s wage costs would drive up the price of burgers for millions of poor people. “So what?” say activists. Maybe that’ll drive people to farmers markets.

For the average poor person, it isn’t a great option to take a trip to the farmers market to puzzle over esoteric lefty-foodie codes. (Is sustainable better than organic? What if I have to choose between fair trade and cruelty-free?) Produce may seem cheap to environmentally aware blond moms who spend $300 on their highlights every month, but if your object is to fill your belly, it is hugely expensive per calorie.

Junk food costs as little as $1.76 per 1,000 calories, whereas fresh veggies and the like cost more than 10 times as much, found a 2007 University of Washington survey for the Journal of the American Dietetic Association. A 2,000-calorie day of meals would, if you stuck strictly to the good-for-you stuff, cost $36.32, said the study’s lead author, Adam Drewnowski.

“Not only are the empty calories cheaper,” he reported, “but the healthy foods are becoming more and more expensive. Vegetables and fruits are rapidly becoming luxury goods.” Where else but McDonald’s can poor people obtain so many calories per dollar?

And as for organic — the Abercrombie and Fitch jeans of food — if you have to check the price, you can’t afford it. (Not that it has any health benefits, as last year’s huge Stanford meta-study showed.)

Moreover, produce takes more time to prepare and spoils quickly, two more factors that effectively drive up the cost. Any time you’re spending peeling vegetables is time you aren’t spending on the job.

Activists will go anywhere to wave the banner of caring and plant their flagpole of social justice right in the foot of the working class.

Forcing New Yorkers to pay unnecessary high prices, they’ve managed to keep Walmart out of the five boroughs of New York City. The City Council of Washington, DC, recently passed a bill, designed specifically to punish only Walmart, which would mandate a super-minimum wage to benefit a small number of employees while effectively placing a surtax on every Walmart shopper. (Walmart responded by saying it was canceling plans for three stores. The bill may yet be vetoed by Mayor Vincent Gray.)

Fuel prices, like food prices, disproportionately hit the poor, so do-gooders do everything they can to raise energy costs by blocking new fuel sources like the Keystone XL pipelines and fracking. And they are always up for higher gasoline taxes and regulating coal-burning energy plants to death.

If the macrobiotic Marxists had their way, of course, there’d be no McDonald’s, Walmart or Exxon, because they have visions of an ideal world in which everybody bikes to work with a handwoven backpack from Etsy that contains a lunch grown in the neighborhood collective.

That’s not going to work for the average person, but who cares if they go hungry because they can’t afford a burger anymore? Let them eat kale!
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:40 PM   #123
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That's not a real response. It was a kneejerk reaction with no facts to back it up. Of course, a quick glance at any mikey post shows him as a dumbass prima facie. People talk about huge cost of living increases if you raise the minimum wage, but this study suggests quite strongly that the supposed increases are extremely hyperbolic.

Furthermore, it's not just the entry level workers who are getting their pay doubled in this scenario--it's everyone that works for McDonald's.
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:41 PM   #124
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If McD's Big Mac is selling for $3.68 and BK is selling its Whopper for $3. What is my reason to pay more by going to McD?
How many decent Burger King managers are going to stay there if they are making half of what they could at McDonald's? Did you ever consider what the downstream effects of the pay increase on the quality of work and worker might be?
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:42 PM   #125
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Another thing that gets lost in the wage increase is the increase in payroll taxes and insurance that the employer has to pay. Its not just a 7.50 pay raise. It an increase in Social Security, Medicare, and probably workers comp. Just not sure how Workers Comp is charged whether its a flat rate or percentage. I would assume its related to the wage.
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:43 PM   #126
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Why has no one responded to this?
Yes. People will still flock to McD's to get their Big Macs/Quarter Pounders for a nominal increased rate. People will piss, moan and whine, but they will still do it.

We're nothing if not a herd civilization, and places like McDonald's are our troughs.
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:44 PM   #127
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No, I'm sure Dubner and Levitt aren't suggesting the McDonald's diet, but it's an interesting response to the whole, "It's only X cents of an increase to get this kind of pay and treatment for workers."

One wonders how much of a small effect that price increase has on poor people that (like it or not) use McDonald's and other fast food chains as cost-efficient means of ingesting calories.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...ZJ50x1KMCyGfTJ
Elephant in the room: subsidies for massive agribusiness is what really makes that food so "cheap".
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:46 PM   #128
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I find this amusing, really. Dock workers are paid about 10-12/hr to start working at places like UPS and Fed Ex, and those people do more work in a day or two than the McDonald's people will likely do all week.
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I find this amusing, really. Dock workers are paid about 10-12/hr to start working at places like UPS and Fed Ex, and those people do more work in a day or two than the McDonald's people will likely do all week.
I agree with that, but I think that if you support pay increases for workers, you generally don't support it for just people performing entry level work at one particular business in one specific type of occupation.
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:49 PM   #130
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How many decent Burger King managers are going to stay there if they are making half of what they could at McDonald's? Did you ever consider what the downstream effects of the pay increase on the quality of work and worker might be?
If they're such talented employees, why haven't they already left Burger King?
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How many decent Burger King managers are going to stay there if they are making half of what they could at McDonald's? Did you ever consider what the downstream effects of the pay increase on the quality of work and worker might be?
Say the line worker got paid from $7.25 to $15. The manager who is paid $9/hr now wants $18. The business will be mostly decline because of the increased labor cost (if every factor stays the same) then the stock tanks. Now the stockholder is upset. It is a vicious chain reaction.
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Elephant in the room: subsidies for massive agribusiness is what really makes that food so "cheap".
Not my problem. I hate it too, but that shit ain't gonna change. It won't change if Washington changes its tone, and it won't change if it becomes even more polarized than it already is now.

In the meantime, the solution to so many problems involves incremental increases to the cost of living for poor people with no real changes being done to the way the government supports huge agribusiness. Something's gotta give.
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I agree with that, but I think that if you support pay increases for workers, you generally don't support it for just people performing entry level work at one particular business in one specific type of occupation.
Agreed. I'm just chuckling at the "hardships" the Mickey D people think they are facing. Tell them to go bust their humps in a dirty, sweaty trailer, then get back to us about what they "deserve".

This is about how they feel slighted working for a billion dollar industry (never mind the stores they're at are likely franchised) and are making pennies. I'm not so sure what is so hard to understand about getting a better paying job if you don't feel like you're making enough. There are much better paying jobs than flipping burgers for unskilled laborers.
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:55 PM   #134
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Say the line worker got paid from $7.25 to $15. The manager who is paid $9/hr now wants $18. The business will be mostly decline because of the increased labor cost (if every factor stays the same) then the stock tanks. Now the stockholder is upset. It is a vicious chain reaction.
You're assuming something that you can't prove to beautify your point. In order for the stock to decline McDonald's would have to sell fewer items overall. If they still sell the same amount of goods the profits remain the same because the increase in wages has been factored into the price of goods.
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If they're such talented employees, why haven't they already left Burger King?
Hey man, the world needs ditch diggers. I hope my children achieve more success than managing a fast food restaurant, but that doesn't mean that people who do that are worthless or should be worthy of derision.
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