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Old 07-30-2013, 09:53 AM  
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Fox News’ Lauren Green Doesn’t Understand Religious Scholarship

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Old 07-31-2013, 07:02 PM   #106
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I don't even know what your point is here. There's 1 general version of the Bible. There are some minute translation differences and some theological arguments sure - but I'm highly suspicious you can find different versions of those verses that say competing things.

As to what I believe, I don't argue that either way. I'm arguing this from the widely accepted interpretation. Which he's admittedly challenging. It's near impossible to misinterpret those (and hundreds other) verses whether a believer or non-believer.
Cosmo's point is the main criticism here. I don't know how much difference there is between versions of the bible, but I know there are more than one and in some cases the differences are substantial.

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Your offense, well one of them, is trying to prove the Bible is proven fact by citing to the Bible itself.
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Old 07-31-2013, 08:31 PM   #107
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There is actually a strong missed opportunity here, one that would have enounced a stronger reaction from Aslan, and probably much more heated exchanges on the intertubes.

Aslan is more than 'a Muslim.' He grew up in and passionately embraced fundamentalist evangelical Christianity. He then studied religion all those years, converted to Islam, married a Christian and remains in close contact with fundamentalist evangelicals in both sides of his family.

Now he writes this re-examination of Jesus' life and found something to akin to a revolutionary activist. And posits that the Gospels are a rosy colored review at remove of what the authors found most resonant about what THEY remembered about Jesus.

The case is there that Aslan is teetering the line between religious scholar and religious obsessive. He definitely wants to spark a new impression of Jesus' message, seemingly one more confrontational and fixated on earthbound religio-political battles.

From what I've seen [I haven't read the book, but have seen most everything he's appeared on, including appearances from before this book], he seems to be trying to finesse a line between the fervor of sects of Islam for religious observance and the strains of 'social justice' Christianity as epitomized by Cornell West. He posits that the revisionist Hellenists changed Jesus' Jewish violent confrontational revolutionary acts to a softer pacifist loving 'story' to succor favor with the Greeks and Romans and reject the dispossessed Jews.

I think there can be no argument that he, passionately, wants 'mainstream' American Christianity to view Jesus in a substantively different light.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/extended...a_aslan/427819

three parter, so I linked the central site, instead of embedding three separate videos.


Also, this doesn't even begin to delve into the psychological effects of having as a surname the name of the most prominent Anglo-Christian re-imagining of the Christ.
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I think it should remain firm in the minds of all that this came from the online only religion beat. This wasn't a centerpiece of an O'Reilly prime time episode.

This exchange informs us about larger truths about American society about as much as a front yard confrontation between the Republican Dog Catcher and Democrat City Comptroller in a suburb of Biloxi, MS.

It's a couple of dummies snarking on youtube.
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Old 07-31-2013, 08:32 PM   #108
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Cosmo's point is the main criticism here. I don't know how much difference there is between versions of the bible, but I know there are more than one and in some cases the differences are substantial.
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You seem to be confused. Nearly all differences in religious opinion are the result of interpretation, not translation. It's highly unlikely Aslan has found a different translation where Jesus claims he's not the Son of God or the Messiah.


To test your theory you are free to find such a verse. Since there are many translations (according to you), this should be no problem for you to grab off of Google.
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Old 07-31-2013, 08:56 PM   #109
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You seem to be confused. Nearly all differences in religious opinion are the result of interpretation, not translation. It's highly unlikely Aslan has found a different translation where Jesus claims he's not the Son of God or the Messiah.

To test your theory you are free to find such a verse. Since there are many translations (according to you), this should be no problem for you to grab off of Google.
Idea: Find out what Aslan actually asserts and how he supports it. Then, you can refute his actual assertion and his support for it rather than continue with your current argument of "No way."
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:05 PM   #110
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People watch Fox News?

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Old 07-31-2013, 09:19 PM   #111
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:21 PM   #112
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Idea: Find out what Aslan actually asserts and how he supports it. Then, you can refute his actual assertion and his support for it rather than continue with your current argument of "No way."
It appears you missed my earlier post where I specifically stated 2 arguments he made, and rebutted them with specific verses from the Bible. Since you missed that part, I advise you to go back and read what you missed.

Then, you will see that your point here was null.
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:35 PM   #113
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Idea: Find out what Aslan actually asserts and how he supports it. Then, you can refute his actual assertion and his support for it rather than continue with your current argument of "No way."
“Jesus was a Jew, remember,” Aslan said, “and according to Judaism, 3,000 years of Jewish Scripture and thought and philosophy and theology, a dead messiah is not the messiah anymore.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...t-revenge.html
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:28 PM   #114
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It appears you missed my earlier post where I specifically stated 2 arguments he made, and rebutted them with specific verses from the Bible. Since you missed that part, I advise you to go back and read what you missed.

Then, you will see that your point here was null.

No, if I recall, you didn't state two arguments he made, you stated two brief assertions, without regard to his support of the assertions.

At the same time, you are citing to the Bible as proof, which as mentioned before, is ridiculous.
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:44 PM   #115
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“Jesus was a Jew, remember,” Aslan said, “and according to Judaism, 3,000 years of Jewish Scripture and thought and philosophy and theology, a dead messiah is not the messiah anymore.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...t-revenge.html
I don't think this addresses the topic that PB is riled up about--Aslan's apparent assertion that Jesus didn't claim to be God.
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:54 PM   #116
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Wow, this is the dumbest post of the year. I never said they claimed to be contemporaneous accounts, I said they were eyewitness accounts. Just as a WWII vet telling his grandchildren about his experiences in the War or living through the Great Depression would be eyewitness accounts.



It's better for you Native to be though an idiot and not post, then to start typing and remove all doubt.
They aren't eye witness accounts if the people writing them didn't actually meet jeebus. The gospels were written quite awhile after jeebus died. Learn something about your own religion ****stick. Fun fact, just about every story about jeebus or jeebus miracle attributed to jeebus in the bible are present in religions of that time.
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They aren't eye witness accounts if the people writing them didn't actually meet jeebus. The gospels were written quite awhile after jeebus died. Learn something about your own religion ****stick. Fun fact, just about every story about jeebus or jeebus miracle attributed to jeebus in the bible are present in religions of that time.
Not sure why that's funny, but it is.
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The cannonical gospels were written only around 40-70 years after Jesus' death I believe...(and eariler by some accounts.....no later than 70AD according to the 'fall of jerusalem' research)

At least one was written when people that met him were still alive...

(I'm no scholar, so I could be wrong on this)

edit: also, that doesnt take into account the oral history that preceded the writings of the gospels, which took some time




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Not sure why that's funny, but it is.
prolly because you need a scapegoat..
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The cannonical gospels were written only around 40-70 years after Jesus' death I believe...

At least one was written when people that met him were still alive...

(I'm no scholar, so I could be wrong on this)
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