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Old 07-31-2013, 05:36 PM  
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Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

The people were unauthorized to speak publicly because no announcement is expected until Thursday or Friday.

Rodriguez, according to his attorney, David Cornwell, will appeal any suspension, regardless of the severity. The other players are expected to receive 50-game bans, and most are considering accepting the discipline without appealing, according to one of the people.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nesis/2606319/
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:30 PM   #61
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:30 PM   #62
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I'll grant you those two...that was more of a slippery slope argument. Of course, I'm not certain that steroid use was prohibited back when Mac and Bonds were doing it...
It wasn't, which is why they should be in.
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:31 PM   #63
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Actually, baiting umpires into impacting the outcome of games by blowing calls is worse than simply trying to make yourself more capable of hitting the ball out of the park because you chose this (illegal) supplement instead of that (legal) supplement.
It's about maintaining an even playing field for me. Players using steroids to enhance their skills past their natural ability requires other players to do the same if they want to "keep up". There are potential side effects associated with steroid use that some players may not want to subject themselves to. Not to mention that they are illegal without a prescription.

IMO they cheapen the game and reward what I would call bad behavior.
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:32 PM   #64
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I picture the people who make the "baseball is better with steroids" argument as arena football league season ticket holders. More scoring makes any sport better, right?
It doesn't interfere with the fundamental nature of the game. Steroids is to sports what counting cards is to blackjack.
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:32 PM   #65
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Please explain why cheating to make yourself better at a game (steroids) is worse than cheating by compromising the integrity of the game (doctoring equipment).
The game is supposed to be about which team has the best players, not who has the best pharmacologists and medical staff.

Holding in football gets a penalty
corking a bat gets you thrown out
Doctoring a ball gets the pitcher tossed
'Doctoring' your body gets you banned
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:33 PM   #66
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It wasn't, which is why they should be in.
Well...there you go. We mostly agree.
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:35 PM   #67
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The game is supposed to be about which team has the best players, not who has the best pharmacologists and medical staff.

Holding in football gets a penalty
corking a bat gets you thrown out
Doctoring a ball gets the pitcher tossed
'Doctoring' your body gets you banned
It's not about medical staffs and pharmacists? Really? Why allow weight lifting? Why allow supplements? Why allow cortisone shots? Why allow Pilates? Why allow hyperbaric chambers?

I can't wait until we go back to 215 pound LTs in the NFL after that league gets cleaned up.
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:39 PM   #68
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It's not about medical staffs and pharmacists? Really? Why allow weight lifting? Why allow supplements? Why allow cortisone shots? Why allow Pilates? Why allow hyperbaric chambers?

I can't wait until we go back to 215 pound LTs in the NFL after that league gets cleaned up.


Then every player should shoot up so its fair. Get so ****ing wasted that they can rip phonebooks in half. Do away with rules. All this helmet bullshit and worry about concussions. Lets get it right from the get go. Little Leaguers getting schooled on the good stuff they can get someday.
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:42 PM   #69
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Then every player should shoot up so its fair. Get so ****ing wasted that they can rip phonebooks in half. Do away with rules. All this helmet bullshit and worry about concussions. Lets get it right from the get go. Little Leaguers getting schooled on the good stuff they can get someday.
What is the rationale of banning steroids? Do we have players dying from steroid abuse?

If anything, legalize it so players don't have to go to Dr. Nick.
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Old 07-31-2013, 08:03 PM   #70
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So let's play the 'what if' game.

What if Saul was right and it doesn't matter


MLB releases that it's no longer testing for PED's ... open season, go for it.


1. instantly every player would be on HGH, they would have to to stay competitive. It wouldn't be a choice because you wouldn't be good enough if you didn't.

2. Human nature kicks in ... if every player is taking HGH then players will push it to the next level with Anadrol,Test ... and of course once someone starts it they all have to take them to be competitive. Don't forget that steroids screw with your thyroid and hormones you you have to take Clomid, T3 etc to balance it.

3. Teams have their own PED Doctors and researchers finding the latest and greatest drug combinations to give their team the advantage.

4. quickly spills into college because if the pros have to do then the colleges will

how long before high schools kids start dying because they can't afford doctors so they just start shooting shit themselves?


oh yea ... just let it go, what's the big deal
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Old 07-31-2013, 08:04 PM   #71
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So let's play the 'what if' game.

What if Saul was right and it doesn't matter


MLB releases that it's no longer testing for PED's ... open season, go for it.


1. instantly every player would be on HGH, they would have to to stay competitive. It wouldn't be a choice because you wouldn't be good enough if you didn't.

2. Human nature kicks in ... if every player is taking HGH then players will push it to the next level with Anadrol,Test ... and of course once someone starts it they all have to take them to be competitive. Don't forget that steroids screw with your thyroid and hormones you you have to take Clomid, T3 etc to balance it.

3. Teams have their own PED Doctors and researchers finding the latest and greatest drug combinations to give their team the advantage.

4. quickly spills into college because if the pros have to do then the colleges will

how long before high schools kids start dying because they can't afford doctors so they just start shooting shit themselves?


oh yea ... just let it go, what's the big deal
You mean "what if what is currently happening were currently happening"?
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If you read the article I posted it already has slipped down the line. The article alleges there are NCAA athletes on that Biogenesis list. Just no one is doing anything about it.
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You mean "what if what is currently happening were currently happening"?
I'm sorry. Just kidding. College players aren't all on roids, and high school locker rooms aren't full of do-it-yourself epothicaries. /sleeps better at night
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You mean "what if what is currently happening were currently happening"?
so your position is now 'it's screwed up already so just let it go?'


If MLB basically approves it then it will get MUCH,MUCH worse ... very quickly.
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so your position is now 'it's screwed up already so just let it go?'


If MLB basically approves it then it will get MUCH,MUCH worse ... very quickly.
Yeah...it will get worse if it's administered by professionals instead of by Dr. Nick. People will start dying left and right from steroids just like they do in the NFL. Oh wait...the NFL isn't full of steroid users. Baseball players use steroids. The NFL is full of 290 pounders who run 4.7 40s naturally.
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