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Old 08-04-2013, 04:06 PM  
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NCAA investigating whether Johnny Manziel was paid for autographs

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The NCAA is investigating whether Johnny Manziel was paid for signing autographs in January, ESPN’s “Outside the Lines” is reporting.


The Heisman Trophy-winning Texas A&M quarterback agreed to sign hundreds of autographs on photos and sports memorabilia in exchange for a five-figure flat fee during his trip to Miami for the BCS National Championship Game, according to the report.

Manziel reportedly met with autograph broker Drew Tieman at the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport on Jan. 6.

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Three sources said Manziel signed photographs, footballs, mini football helmets and other items at the request of an autograph broker named Drew Tieman. Two sources, who are aware of the signing arrangement, told “Outside the Lines” that Tieman approached Manziel on Jan. 6 when he landed at the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport to attend the game between Alabama and Notre Dame the next day.
After that meeting, three sources said, Manziel, accompanied by his friend and personal assistant Nathan Fitch, visited Tieman’s residence and signed hundreds of items in the main room of the apartment despite the fact that there were many people in the room. Before Manziel left South Florida, after taking in the title game, he signed hundreds of autographs more, one source said.

NCAA assistant director of enforcement James Garland contacted Tieman and at least one person associated with the signings in June to ask about Manziel-autographed items that were on sale on eBay, according to the report.

Manziel could be ruled ineligible to play if the investigation finds that he violated NCAA Bylaw 12.5.2.1 — “accepting money for promoting or advertising the commercial sale of a product or service.”

The investigation continues a tumultuous offseason for “Johnny Football,” who has been under fire for his partying habits, which may have contributed to his early departure from the Manning Passing Academy in July.
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Old 08-05-2013, 09:26 AM   #76
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OSU didn't cover up anything. The coach did. If the entire program is going to get busted for a coach's or players actions, then a and m falls in that category too.

Manziel had likely done his for a while. If the coaches knew about it and played him anyway and/or chose not to report it, then this is just as bad as osu. Again, I think it's a terrible rule especially since the coach can leave then make a multi million dollar deal in the Nfl. But the ncaa has to be consistent and they simply haven't been.

But it doesn't change the fact that Oregon was by far the worst violation and they got off the easiest.
Nobody outside of Texas had even heard of him until September 2012. Another stretch.
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Old 08-05-2013, 09:30 AM   #77
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OSU didn't cover up anything. The coach did. If the entire program is going to get busted for a coach's or players actions, then a and m falls in that category too.

Manziel had likely done his for a while. If the coaches knew about it and played him anyway and/or chose not to report it, then this is just as bad as osu. Again, I think it's a terrible rule especially since the coach can leave then make a multi million dollar deal in the Nfl. But the ncaa has to be consistent and they simply haven't been.

But it doesn't change the fact that Oregon was by far the worst violation and they got off the easiest.
Example please.
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Old 08-05-2013, 09:35 AM   #78
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OSU didn't cover up anything. The coach did. If the entire program is going to get busted for a coach's or players actions, then a and m falls in that category too.

Manziel had likely done his for a while. If the coaches knew about it and played him anyway and/or chose not to report it, then this is just as bad as osu. Again, I think it's a terrible rule especially since the coach can leave then make a multi million dollar deal in the Nfl. But the ncaa has to be consistent and they simply haven't been.

But it doesn't change the fact that Oregon was by far the worst violation and they got off the easiest.
I'm sure Johnny was raking in the cash signing autographs as a 3-star freshman who hadn't played a down of football and redshirted the previous year.
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Old 08-05-2013, 09:47 AM   #79
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Old 08-05-2013, 09:51 AM   #80
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Old 08-05-2013, 09:58 AM   #81
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Nobody outside of Texas had even heard of him until September 2012. Another stretch.
That would be 4 months, so you would probably have to define what "a while" means.

Myself. I would have to think if he had been doing it since Thanksgiving up to the Alabama/Notre Dame game it would fit within the doing it for a while range.
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:03 AM   #82
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That would be 4 months, so you would probably have to define what "a while" means.

Myself. I would have to think if he had been doing it since Thanksgiving up to the Alabama/Notre Dame game it would fit within the doing it for a while range.
It's still speculative and not "a while" in the context of a potential scandal (the coaches knowing about it and playing him or not reporting it).
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:05 AM   #83
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It's still speculative and not "a while" in the context of a potential scandal (the coaches knowing about it and playing him or not reporting it).
How many games did they play after late November/early December besides a Bowl Game?
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:47 AM   #86
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Sumlin is having a press conference

Says he just became aware of the investigation. Seems odd if there was an official NCAA investigation taking place since June. Potential ESPN blunder? I don't know how this process works. Regardless, Im sure we will find out more in coming days.
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:50 AM   #87
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:53 AM   #88
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I feel bad for Sumlin. RS Freshman Polo Manukainiu died in a car accident just last week. Not a good August.
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:16 AM   #89
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That's a cover up. Huge If
That's why I said 'consider sanctions'

If the coaches had any knowledge whatsoever and didnt put a stop to it or failed to report ifthis is not much different room OSU. If the level of involvement is in question, then Boise state has a right to complain.

The ncaa has set a precedent that they will let massive violations slide, but they will ban hammer you for often silly failure to report from a compliance standpoint. Even if the schools compliance department had no knowledge of this stuff going on.

The reason this stuff is silly is the stuff Boise state and osu got busted for was purely about compliance. It had little to do with excessive benefits or handouts.
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That's why I said 'consider sanctions'

If the coaches had any knowledge whatsoever and didnt put a stop to it or failed to report ifthis is not much different room OSU. If the level of involvement is in question, then Boise state has a right to complain.

The ncaa has set a precedent that they will let massive violations slide, but they will ban hammer you for often silly failure to report from a compliance standpoint. Even if the schools compliance department had no knowledge of this stuff going on.

The reason this stuff is silly is the stuff Boise state and osu got busted for was purely about compliance. It had little to do with excessive benefits or handouts.
Fine. I have no problem with the NCAA investigating the coaches or any other involvement. Still have to prove Johnny's guilt first. Im not worried about sanctions right now... Manziel may bury himself, but I doubt he takes ATM with him.
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