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Old 08-06-2013, 07:26 AM  
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Obama waives full cost of Obamacare policies for Congress and staffers

AUGUST 6, 2013 4:00 AM
Congressís Obamacare Waiver
President Obama is buying votes from members of Congress ó with stolen money.
By Michael F. Cannon

America has a two-party system. But itís not Republicans versus Democrats. Itís the ruling class ó Republicans and Democrats ó against everyone else. Consider how President Obama just gave Congress its very own Obamacare waiver.

Obamacare includes a provision that should cost each member of Congress and each staffer $5,000 to $11,000 per year. Needless to say, the ruling class was not pleased.

Congress wasnít about to try to exempt itself from this provision explicitly, though. If John Q. Congressman voted to give himself an Obamacare waiver that his constituents donít get, he wouldnít be John Q. Congressman much longer. Whatís an aristocrat to do?

On July 30, I predicted that, even though he had no authority to do so, President Obama would waive that provision at taxpayersí expense. On August 1, he ignobly obliged the aristocracy by decreeing we peasants give each member and staffer $5,000 or $11,000, depending on whether they want self-only or family coverage. Itís good to be king.
The presidentís supporters, like courtesans of old, are trying to quell a peasant uprising by denying there were any special favors. The denials ring hollow.

Obamacare imposes two costs on members of Congress and their staff. First, it kicks them out of their current health plans, leaving them to buy coverage on Obamacareís health-insurance ďexchanges.Ē Second, it makes no provision for the federal government to keep paying $5,000 or $11,000 toward the cost of their insurance as the Treasury does today.* *

The second cost is by far the larger one; it amounts to a pay cut of $5,000 or $11,000. Many staffers were threatening to quit or retire early.

When the presidentís supporters claim that Congress isnít being exempted, they mean that Obama didnít exempt them from Cost No. 1. Which is true. But he did exempt them from Cost No. 2.

Rescinding that pay cut may or may not have been the right thing to do. But itís still a break that ordinary Americans like Kevin Pace donít get. Pace is an adjunct music professor at Northern Virginia Community College. To avoid penalties under Obamacare, his employer cut his hours ó sticking Pace with an $8,000 pay cut.

Supporters say President Obama merely held Congress harmless. Exactly. Kevin Pace and countless others like him arenít being held harmless, because theyíre not members of Congress. As Kevin Pace put it, ďThis isnít right on any level.Ē

Things would be unseemly enough if Congressís Obamacare waiver were legal. But experts say the president had no authority to grant it.

That didnít stop even Republicans from praising him, however. Tin-eared Representative Chris Stewart (R., Utah) gushed: *ďThereís no question it was the right thing to do. Not just for me, but for my staff. Heavens, I have staff who donít make much money. This would be a really big bite for them.Ē

Congressman, you also have constituents who donít make much money, and who canít make it appear out of thin air. Enjoy your waiver.

How was I able to predict the president would grant illegal subsidies to members of Congress? Heís a repeat offender.

Obamacare actually kicked members of Congress out of their current health plans and imposed that $5,000 to $11,000 pay cut immediately upon enactment in 2010. But President Obama just ignored that part of the law. He let members and staff stay in their current health plans and kept the taxpayer money flowing in their direction.

I predicted President Obama would give illegal health-insurance subsidies to members of Congress because he is already in his fourth year of doing it.

Pretty much all Americans can point to some part of Obamacare that they hate. Seniors hate the Independent Payment Advisory Board, which even Howard Dean calls ďa health-care rationing body.Ē

Unions, teacher assistants, bus drivers, cafeteria workers,*and other school employees hate how the law is cutting their pay. Private-sector unions despise the ďCadillac taxĒ that forces them to fund subsidies their members donít receive. Young adults hate the penalties for not buying health insurance. Okay, everybody hates those. In fact, a majority of Americans oppose the entire law.

But only Congress gets relief. Why?

Simple. President Obama doesnít want Congress to reopen Obamacare. A significant share of congressional Democrats just voted to delay the individual mandate. With once-loyal Democrats now upset over how the law hurts them personally, who knows what else Congress would discard?

President Obama circumvented a potential legislative defeat by giving each member and staffer thousands of taxpayer dollars he had no authority to touch. Heís buying votes from members of Congress ó with stolen money, no less.

ó Michael F. Cannon is director of health-policy studies at the Cato Institute and coeditor of Replacing Obamacare.

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Old 08-07-2013, 09:18 AM   #46
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The OPM is going to cover 75% of congressional staffers health insurance costs, the exact same percentage they were covering previously.

Please explain to me how this equates to an "exemption."
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Old 08-07-2013, 04:49 PM   #47
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So all federal employees keep the same coverage except for these poor fools because Charles Grassley who opposed the law proposed an amendment to embarrass people voting for the law and they called his bluff and adopted the amendment without realizing that the exchanges are not easily set up for premium payments from an entity with a lot of employees.

It is a bit of a clown show to adopt an amendment made in bad faith by a senator that does not intend to vote for the amended bill. Especially, since the ACA supporters did not think through the the logistical problem. But there is no reason that these federal employees should have less take home pay and benefits when all other federal employees are sitting pretty.

Why does this forum have so many threads were people are upset about stuff that they could barely explain? It is like if you had an open book test on this topic and were asked to give the facts and then state an opinion, most in the DC forum would flunk the quiz because they would lack key facts and have zealous feelings only because they think that they are supposed to.
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:22 PM   #48
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So all federal employees keep the same coverage except for these poor fools because Charles Grassley who opposed the law proposed an amendment to embarrass people voting for the law and they called his bluff and adopted the amendment without realizing that the exchanges are not easily set up for premium payments from an entity with a lot of employees.

It is a bit of a clown show to adopt an amendment made in bad faith by a senator that does not intend to vote for the amended bill. Especially, since the ACA supporters did not think through the the logistical problem. But there is no reason that these federal employees should have less take home pay and benefits when all other federal employees are sitting pretty.

Why does this forum have so many threads were people are upset about stuff that they could barely explain? It is like if you had an open book test on this topic and were asked to give the facts and then state an opinion, most in the DC forum would flunk the quiz because they would lack key facts and have zealous feelings only because they think that they are supposed to.
You're guilty of your own accusation. The Grassley amendment was no gimmick. Grassley has long called for Congress to live under the same rules as the laws they create. His efforts go way back to the Clinton administration.

Since ACA was passed Grassley has tried to push through amendments to include the executive branch.

Democrats gladly went along with the original amendment. The only clowns are the ones that wrote the law but didn't bother to learn what was in it until it passed.
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:55 PM   #49
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You're guilty of your own accusation. The Grassley amendment was no gimmick. Grassley has long called for Congress to live under the same rules as the laws they create. His efforts go way back to the Clinton administration.

Since ACA was passed Grassley has tried to push through amendments to include the executive branch.

Democrats gladly went along with the original amendment. The only clowns are the ones that wrote the law but didn't bother to learn what was in it until it passed.
I agree with your last paragraph.

The ACA does not expect employers with more than 100 employees to kick them off of their current insurance because the obligation for employers to insure full time starts at 50+ employees.

It is stupid to have some artificial requirement that these federal employees, Congress and their paid staff, with perfectly good health insurance should have to buy insurance off the exchanges, which are primarily for people who can't get an affordable insurance plan from employers who are not required to cover them.

As for the resolution of the problem, it makes sense that these federal employees still get paid the same and still have the same value of benefit.

I don't see how you could blame the President for fixing the problem.

And how much more expensive would it be if you ended the federal health insurance plans and required all federal employees to get their own insurance.

Why would Grassley think that is some kind of good idea?
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:28 PM   #51
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I agree with your last paragraph.

The ACA does not expect employers with more than 100 employees to kick them off of their current insurance because the obligation for employers to insure full time starts at 50+ employees.

It is stupid to have some artificial requirement that these federal employees, Congress and their paid staff, with perfectly good health insurance should have to buy insurance off the exchanges, which are primarily for people who can't get an affordable insurance plan from employers who are not required to cover them.

As for the resolution of the problem, it makes sense that these federal employees still get paid the same and still have the same value of benefit.

I don't see how you could blame the President for fixing the problem.

And how much more expensive would it be if you ended the federal health insurance plans and required all federal employees to get their own insurance.

Why would Grassley think that is some kind of good idea?
It's an excellent idea. If/when problems with the exchanges happen those that passed the law should bear the brunt of it just like the common man.

And it doesn't necessarily make sense for federal employees receive the same value of benefit. I haven't in my company's insurance plan. My costs have gone up because of Obamacare.

As for the cost going up if these congressmen and staffers go into the exchanges, I've been told the more that enter into them the cost will go down.

As for the president fixing it, maybe he should do it legally. Like signing a bill or something. But at all costs he and congress want to avoid that because it will bring light to a benefit the common man doesn't get.

The whole thing is laughable all the way around. Perfect example of government getting involved in something that should be handled by the free market.
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It's an excellent idea. If/when problems with the exchanges happen those that passed the law should bear the brunt of it just like the common man.

And it doesn't necessarily make sense for federal employees receive the same value of benefit. I haven't in my company's insurance plan. My costs have gone up because of Obamacare.

As for the cost going up if these congressmen and staffers go into the exchanges, I've been told the more that enter into them the cost will go down.

As for the president fixing it, maybe he should do it legally. Like signing a bill or something. But at all costs he and congress want to avoid that because it will bring light to a benefit the common man doesn't get.

The whole thing is laughable all the way around. Perfect example of government getting involved in something that should be handled by the free market.
The health care/health insurance system has not been free market for a long time.

The United States has a tradition of employer provided health insurance. People that have insurance don't negotiate price of treatment. Doctors treating insured patients can do unecessary procedures, even surgeries, just to make more money.

Can you explain the details of how Obamacare is the explanation for a costs increase in your company's insurance plan?

Obamacare does not require employers to chisel their employees benefits and blame Obamacare for it.

I would rather see some proof before I believe that, or that these federal employees are getting some kind of unfair benefit that is not available to the "middle class".
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I agree with your last paragraph.

The ACA does not expect employers with more than 100 employees to kick them off of their current insurance because the obligation for employers to insure full time starts at 50+ employees.

It is stupid to have some artificial requirement that these federal employees, Congress and their paid staff, with perfectly good health insurance should have to buy insurance off the exchanges, which are primarily for people who can't get an affordable insurance plan from employers who are not required to cover them.

As for the resolution of the problem, it makes sense that these federal employees still get paid the same and still have the same value of benefit.

I don't see how you could blame the President for fixing the problem.

And how much more expensive would it be if you ended the federal health insurance plans and required all federal employees to get their own insurance.

Why would Grassley think that is some kind of good idea?
It's stupid for us to be giving Congress and their staff gold plated insurance when Joe Public has to live with what they can get from the exchange. Let them live with the system they create for the rest of the country. If private companies want to offer gold plated insurance plans, that's fine. They're not the guys designing the system for the rest of the country.
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This is an outrage. When the Attorney General gets done investigating himself for his illegal scandals and finds himself innocent then he can turn his attention to this.
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It's stupid for us to be giving Congress and their staff gold plated insurance when Joe Public has to live with what they can get from the exchange. Let them live with the system they create for the rest of the country. If private companies want to offer gold plated insurance plans, that's fine. They're not the guys designing the system for the rest of the country.
Don't these Congressional employees still have to get the insurance from an ACA exchange?

And who says Joe Public can't get a similar package from the same exchanges?

Seems like you do not have any information on this.

Don't they have to get inusrance from an exchange and they would have to pay the same taxes or receive the same tax credits as anybody else?

Where did you get your information? Or, are you just planning to make claims without really knowing anything about the subject other than somebody wrote some article suggesting that you should disapprove?
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Don't these Congressional employees still have to get the insurance from an ACA exchange?

And who says Joe Public can't get a similar package from the same exchanges?

Seems like you do not have any information on this.

Don't they have to get inusrance from an exchange and they would have to pay the same taxes or receive the same tax credits as anybody else?

Where did you get your information? Or, are you just planning to make claims without really knowing anything about the subject other than somebody wrote some article suggesting that you should disapprove?
They're getting it at 25% of the cost.
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You should a little more sophisticated.

If Obama does something I do not approve of, I would not think the best place to express that would be here.

If Obama does something that you approve of, would you praise him in this forum?

This is not really a place where you have candid exchanges between intelligent people.

I used to pretty much write what I thought about anything, but now that this place has most of the threads started by copying some propaganda piece from stupidville, what is the point of that?
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They're getting it at 25% of the cost.

Do you want to explain that?
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