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Old 08-08-2013, 08:44 AM  
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NRA Wants 18-Year Olds To Buy Handguns

Because, there aren't enough 18 year old kids packing heat.....

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NRA asks Supreme Court to lift ban on handgun sales to teens
By Ben Goad - 08/07/13 02:22 PM ET

The National Rifle Association is asking the Supreme Court to strike down decades-old regulations prohibiting the sales of handguns to those under the age of 21.

The powerful gun lobby is challenging a lower federal court’s October ruling that upheld the ban. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit ruled that the current regulations are consistent with a long-held view that young adults between the ages of 18 and 20 “tend to be relatively immature and that denying them easy access to handguns would deter violent crime.”

“As with felons and the mentally ill, categorically restricting the presumptive Second Amendment rights of 18-to-20-year-olds does not violate the central concern of the Second Amendment,” the court found.

The court noted it is legal for adults under the age of 21 to buy other types of guns, including rifles and shotguns. Further, parents or guardians can give their 18 to 20-year-olds handguns as a gift, and there are no laws barring either the possession or use of a handgun by adults younger than 21.
Still, the law’s prohibition of commercial sales of handguns to young adults amounts to a “categorical burden on the fundamental right to keep and bear arms,” the NRA argued in its petition to the high court, filed last week.*
The group argues that the regulations fly in the face of the 2008 District of Columbia v. Heller ruling that allows people to carry handguns for self-defense.*

“The Framers’ decision to enshrine the Second Amendment and this Court’s decisions recognizing that the right it secures is both individual and fundamental are decisions with consequences," the NRA wrote in the 224-page petition. “One obvious consequence is that individuals above the legal age of majority cannot be denied any meaningful ability to purchase the quintessential means for exercising the core individual right.”

Officials with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, listed as respondent to the petition, did not immediately respond Wednesday to a request for comment.*

The court could decide as early as Sept. 30 whether or not to take up the case.

Noting that the justices have declined to hear other cases involving firearms, UCLA law professor Adam Winkler said it is unlikely that they would grant the NRA's request, particularly because the lower courts have consistently held up current law. 

Even if they do consider the case, Winkler said he expects the justices would side with the circuit courts, considering that 18 to 21-year-olds have an especially higher than average rates of suicide, criminal behavior and drug and alcohol abuse.

"On the other hand, we allow 18-year-olds to bear arms in defense of the nation," he said. "Perhaps they should be allowed to defend themselves."
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:49 AM   #2
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18 year olds can only have handguns if they're over in the desert being used as target practice by the Jihadi's. It's in the rules somewhere.
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:50 AM   #3
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Young adults between the ages of 18 and 20 “tend to be relatively immature"

And they vote overwhelmingly Democrat.
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:51 AM   #4
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18 year olds can only have handguns if they're over in the desert being used as target practice by the Jihadi's. It's in the rules somewhere.
yep. old enough to be responsible to serve in combat / serve their country.

can't have a beer.

IMO it should be one way or the other. But, if they did that, making age for enlistment a minimum of 21, they wouldn't have near as many people enlisting because they will have gotten their shit together on their own.

hard to police the world if recruitment is low.
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:54 AM   #5
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If you're 18 and you are in a branch of the service, at least you're going to be trained how to safely use the weapon. And the weapon doesn't belong to the 18 year old. It belongs to the particular branch of the service of which they are a member. Big difference.
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:55 AM   #6
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An 18 year old can't toast the USA, but he can die for it. Should be able to buy a beer and an hand gun.
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:55 AM   #7
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George, do you think it is okay for 18 year olds to fight in war?

As far as I'm concerned, if they are considered adult enough to vote and fight (and die) for their country then they should also be allowed to buy beer and a handgun.
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:56 AM   #8
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If you're 18 and you are in a branch of the service, at least you're going to be trained how to safely use the weapon. And the weapon doesn't belong to the 18 year old. It belongs to the particular branch of the service of which they are a member. Big difference.
Wow, that is a lame rebuttal. Doesn't matter who the gun belongs to, they are carrying and using it. I still don't agree, but at least your point of being trained has some merit.
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:57 AM   #9
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I will agree to suspend gun rights for 18-21 if their voting rights are also suspended so we don't get any more young morons voting Obama.
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:58 AM   #10
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Personally I think an adult should be an adult. I really don’t care if the age is 17 , 18 or 23 just pick a damn age.
Being old enough to vote, get married serve your country, be tried as an adult, but not old enough to buy a drink or a legal firearm makes no sense.
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I will agree to suspend gun rights for 18-21 if their voting rights are also suspended so we don't get any more young morons voting Obama.
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An enlisted 18 year old can drink in the NCO/EM club. I think they can also by beer at the PX.
They can't buy a handgun but if they could and lived in the barracks they wouldn’t be able to keep it there, it would be locked up in the armory along with the rest of that companies weapons.
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If you're 18 and you are in a branch of the service, at least you're going to be trained how to safely use the weapon. And the weapon doesn't belong to the 18 year old. It belongs to the particular branch of the service of which they are a member. Big difference.
But you are fine with these immature 18 year olds being allowed to vote?
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The **** is this bullshit blowfish?
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:00 AM   #15
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George, do you think it is okay for 18 year olds to fight in war?
Only if their dad can't get them into the Air National Guard....
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