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Old 08-08-2013, 08:44 AM  
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NRA Wants 18-Year Olds To Buy Handguns

Because, there aren't enough 18 year old kids packing heat.....

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NRA asks Supreme Court to lift ban on handgun sales to teens
By Ben Goad - 08/07/13 02:22 PM ET

The National Rifle Association is asking the Supreme Court to strike down decades-old regulations prohibiting the sales of handguns to those under the age of 21.

The powerful gun lobby is challenging a lower federal court’s October ruling that upheld the ban. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit ruled that the current regulations are consistent with a long-held view that young adults between the ages of 18 and 20 “tend to be relatively immature and that denying them easy access to handguns would deter violent crime.”

“As with felons and the mentally ill, categorically restricting the presumptive Second Amendment rights of 18-to-20-year-olds does not violate the central concern of the Second Amendment,” the court found.

The court noted it is legal for adults under the age of 21 to buy other types of guns, including rifles and shotguns. Further, parents or guardians can give their 18 to 20-year-olds handguns as a gift, and there are no laws barring either the possession or use of a handgun by adults younger than 21.
Still, the law’s prohibition of commercial sales of handguns to young adults amounts to a “categorical burden on the fundamental right to keep and bear arms,” the NRA argued in its petition to the high court, filed last week.*
The group argues that the regulations fly in the face of the 2008 District of Columbia v. Heller ruling that allows people to carry handguns for self-defense.*

“The Framers’ decision to enshrine the Second Amendment and this Court’s decisions recognizing that the right it secures is both individual and fundamental are decisions with consequences," the NRA wrote in the 224-page petition. “One obvious consequence is that individuals above the legal age of majority cannot be denied any meaningful ability to purchase the quintessential means for exercising the core individual right.”

Officials with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, listed as respondent to the petition, did not immediately respond Wednesday to a request for comment.*

The court could decide as early as Sept. 30 whether or not to take up the case.

Noting that the justices have declined to hear other cases involving firearms, UCLA law professor Adam Winkler said it is unlikely that they would grant the NRA's request, particularly because the lower courts have consistently held up current law. 

Even if they do consider the case, Winkler said he expects the justices would side with the circuit courts, considering that 18 to 21-year-olds have an especially higher than average rates of suicide, criminal behavior and drug and alcohol abuse.

"On the other hand, we allow 18-year-olds to bear arms in defense of the nation," he said. "Perhaps they should be allowed to defend themselves."
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:11 AM   #16
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An enlisted 18 year old can drink in the NCO/EM club. I think they can also by beer at the PX.
They can't buy a handgun but if they could and lived in the barracks they wouldn’t be able to keep it there, it would be locked up in the armory along with the rest of that companies weapons.
what branch? in the US?

wasn't that way at our Naval Air Station..

Just curious. wasn't sure if different branches had different policies etc.

once at Sea, however, it was at the discretion of the CO. and ours was a dick.
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:12 AM   #17
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what branch? in the US?

wasn't that way at our Naval Air Station..

Just curious. wasn't sure if different branches had different policies etc.

once at Sea, however, it was at the discretion of the CO. and ours was a dick.
Army, both state side and overseas.
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:13 AM   #18
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:19 AM   #19
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You know, George, it's really been a sad process watching you degenerate into a complete ****ing ****.
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:19 AM   #20
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Hey, I think 21 for private citizens to buy a gun is fine. If you enlist in the armed services at 18, that's a personal choice. And if you're old enough to be drafted -when the draft is activated- then I believe you should be old enough to vote. After all, it's people who are voted into office who decide whether to draft you at 18 or not.

I think 21 is OK as a legal drinking age too. Even if you are in the service. The two enterprises, serving in the military, and drinking alcohol, are not related.

For those of you who think 18 year olds should be able to buy handguns, why have any age restrictions at all?
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:22 AM   #21
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You know, George, it's really been a sad process watching you degenerate into a complete ****ing ****.
I haven't "degenerated" into anything. I've always felt this way.

It's a shame that those of you on the far right are so combative and immediately take to ad hominem arguing (that means name calling for those of you who don't understand bigger words) anytime a topic is even RAISED that differs with your personal opinion.

I respect your opinion. I just don't agree with it. And I don't need to call you a "****" just because I hold a different viewpoint.

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Old 08-08-2013, 09:25 AM   #22
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The guys who stormed Normandy weren't given a choice. You are still required to register with selective service at what age? Idiot.
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:27 AM   #23
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Personally I think an adult should be an adult. I really don’t care if the age is 17 , 18 or 23 just pick a damn age.
Being old enough to vote, get married serve your country, be tried as an adult, but not old enough to buy a drink or a legal firearm makes no sense.
I agree.

I am no supporter of the NRA and I would be more concerned about their stance that felons should be able to own guns instead of this.
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:27 AM   #24
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:28 AM   #25
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I fired my first gun at age 7.

By the time I was a teenager I had fired all manner of shotguns, rifles and revolvers (dad didn't own any semi-autos). I didn't see one of those until I was in the Navy, ironically, at age 18. At age 18 I owned a rifle, a shotgun and a revolver.

Number of people I murdered - zero.

Gotta love all these pussy shitbag liberals who think everybody who ever fired a gun is a criminal - except for the actual criminals, of course.
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:35 AM   #26
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Gotta love all these pussy shitbag liberals who think everybody who ever fired a gun is a criminal - except for the actual criminals, of course.
Criminals are a victim of circumstances, like growing up surrounded with guns.

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I fired my first gun at age 7.

By the time I was a teenager I had fired all manner of shotguns, rifles and revolvers (dad didn't own any semi-autos). I didn't see one of those until I was in the Navy, ironically, at age 18. At age 18 I owned a rifle, a shotgun and a revolver.

Number of people I murdered - zero.
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:38 AM   #27
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I haven't "degenerated" into anything. I've always felt this way.

It's a shame that those of you on the far right are so combative and immediately take to ad hominem arguing (that means name calling for those of you who don't understand bigger words) anytime a topic is even RAISED that differs with your personal opinion.

I respect your opinion. I just don't agree with it. And I don't need to call you a "****" just because I hold a different viewpoint.
I don't know, you seem to post articles fairly often with the headlines that you crafted to get under the skin of those on the right here, and really the articles themselves seem to serve no purpose other than to irritate or ridicule, so it seems like you're right down there in the gutter with them.
Maybe your language isn't as blatant but the intent doesn't seem to be any more noble.
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:39 AM   #28
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I don't know, you seem to post articles fairly often with the headlines that you crafted to get under the skin of those on the right here, and really the articles themselves seem to serve no purpose other than to irritate or ridicule, so it seems like you're right down there in the gutter with them. Maybe your language isn't as blatant but the intent doesn't seem to be any more noble.
So, regarding a thread that exists to discuss topics of a political, social or religious nature, anything brought up for discussion that may irritate those on the right is off limits?
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:52 AM   #30
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I fired my first gun at age 7.

By the time I was a teenager I had fired all manner of shotguns, rifles and revolvers (dad didn't own any semi-autos). I didn't see one of those until I was in the Navy, ironically, at age 18. At age 18 I owned a rifle, a shotgun and a revolver.

Number of people I murdered - zero.

Gotta love all these pussy shitbag liberals who think everybody who ever fired a gun is a criminal - except for the actual criminals, of course.
What is a pussy shitbag?

Is it a shitbag made out of pussy or is at an either/or thing?

I, for one, have decided that if I am to be required to have a shitbag, I can think of no better material to make one out of then pussy. Durable and when stretched to the max can always be sewed up for a few bucks (well now after obamacare for FREE!!)

Yep, I'm a firm believer everything should be made of pussy.
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