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Old 08-08-2013, 09:44 AM  
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NRA Wants 18-Year Olds To Buy Handguns

Because, there aren't enough 18 year old kids packing heat.....

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NRA asks Supreme Court to lift ban on handgun sales to teens
By Ben Goad - 08/07/13 02:22 PM ET

The National Rifle Association is asking the Supreme Court to strike down decades-old regulations prohibiting the sales of handguns to those under the age of 21.

The powerful gun lobby is challenging a lower federal court’s October ruling that upheld the ban. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit ruled that the current regulations are consistent with a long-held view that young adults between the ages of 18 and 20 “tend to be relatively immature and that denying them easy access to handguns would deter violent crime.”

“As with felons and the mentally ill, categorically restricting the presumptive Second Amendment rights of 18-to-20-year-olds does not violate the central concern of the Second Amendment,” the court found.

The court noted it is legal for adults under the age of 21 to buy other types of guns, including rifles and shotguns. Further, parents or guardians can give their 18 to 20-year-olds handguns as a gift, and there are no laws barring either the possession or use of a handgun by adults younger than 21.
Still, the law’s prohibition of commercial sales of handguns to young adults amounts to a “categorical burden on the fundamental right to keep and bear arms,” the NRA argued in its petition to the high court, filed last week.*
The group argues that the regulations fly in the face of the 2008 District of Columbia v. Heller ruling that allows people to carry handguns for self-defense.*

“The Framers’ decision to enshrine the Second Amendment and this Court’s decisions recognizing that the right it secures is both individual and fundamental are decisions with consequences," the NRA wrote in the 224-page petition. “One obvious consequence is that individuals above the legal age of majority cannot be denied any meaningful ability to purchase the quintessential means for exercising the core individual right.”

Officials with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, listed as respondent to the petition, did not immediately respond Wednesday to a request for comment.*

The court could decide as early as Sept. 30 whether or not to take up the case.

Noting that the justices have declined to hear other cases involving firearms, UCLA law professor Adam Winkler said it is unlikely that they would grant the NRA's request, particularly because the lower courts have consistently held up current law. 

Even if they do consider the case, Winkler said he expects the justices would side with the circuit courts, considering that 18 to 21-year-olds have an especially higher than average rates of suicide, criminal behavior and drug and alcohol abuse.

"On the other hand, we allow 18-year-olds to bear arms in defense of the nation," he said. "Perhaps they should be allowed to defend themselves."
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:54 AM   #31
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People who bitch about gun rights or those that defend them need to be shot in the face with a high power rifle loaded with hollow points at close range.
People who say shit like this is why people are concerned about people like you having a gun.
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:54 AM   #32
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People who bitch about gun rights or those that defend them need to be shot in the face with a high power rifle loaded with hollow points at close range.
That statement reminds me of an argument I had with a liberal once...was pissed off because here in AZ we put a rapist/murderer to death who'd been on death row for umpteen years...told me "I think everyone who believes in the death penalty should be killed". I laughed my ass off at his "logic".
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:55 AM   #33
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So, regarding a thread that exists to discuss topics of a political, social or religious nature, anything brought up for discussion that may irritate those on the right is off limits?
What he's trying to say, sweetheart, is that if you post a thread and take a position that's offensive to people, don't be surprised if they get offended and say unkind things to you.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I think somebody from glorious Independence once said that.

Why don't you run along now. Something bad might have happened in St. Louis overnight - you should start a thread about it.
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:05 AM   #34
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So, regarding a thread that exists to discuss topics of a political, social or religious nature, anything brought up for discussion that may irritate those on the right is off limits?
Lets just cut through the bullshit and not pretend you don't start threads with the intention of getting under people's skin.
I'm not offended, it's a message board, and the political section of a message board at that. God knows I try and irritate people all the time. It's fine. But can the, 'Why do people get upset? I just wanted to have a discussion," bullshit because I doubt anyone buys it.
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:08 AM   #35
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Nothing in the Constitution prevents Congress from changing the age limit in this federal law.

I think there is a good chance that Scalia and Roberts would think the age limit is a matter for the legislative branch to decide.

Seems the conservatives on the Court did not like establishing constitutional minimum ages for death penalty and mandatory life sentencing without the possibility of parole considering that to be a states rights issue and original intent problems regarding 8th amendment cruel and unusual punishment.

There are so many federal inmates there on convictions for firearms law, that Roberts and Alito would never say that federalism trumps pre-emption on most firearms regulations. Roberts and Alito really do not like letting people out of jail who have shown little respect for the criminal law.

On this topic, the NRA should train its sights on Congress and seek to vote out any legislator that opposes reducing the age.

The NRA should grade the legislators on this issue based on how low an age limit the legislator is willing to go.
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:15 AM   #36
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Nothing in the Constitution prevents Congress from changing the age limit in this federal law.

I think there is a good chance that Scalia and Roberts would think the age limit is a matter for the legislative branch to decide.

Seems the conservatives on the Court did not like establishing constitutional minimum ages for death penalty and mandatory life sentencing without the possibility of parole considering that to be a states rights issue and original intent problems regarding 8th amendment cruel and unusual punishment.

There are so many federal inmates there on convictions for firearms law, that Roberts and Alito would never say that federalism trumps pre-emption on most firearms regulations. Roberts and Alito really do not like letting people out of jail who have shown little respect for the criminal law.

On this topic, the NRA should train its sights on Congress and seek to vote out any legislator that opposes reducing the age.

The NRA should grade the legislators on this issue based on how low an age limit the legilslator is willing to go.
The NRA gave congressman Ballwasher a triple A grade for his continued support of No Child Left Behind Without A Glock program. It's recently come under fire due to the rash of playground shootings involving some criminal elements approaching and attempting to confiscate preschoolers pudding pops. One sound bite that is getting extensive airplay on the internet is a scene where a first grader approached a preschooler and demanded his delicious pudding treat but instead was met with "you want my pop? I'll pop a cap."

NRA has hailed little Johnny as a hero, called him "one of the smartest gun advocates out there for no age restrictions on hand guns," and plan to team him up with Sarah Palin for a 2016 presidential run.
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:16 AM   #37
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What he's trying to say, sweetheart, is that if you post a thread and take a position that's offensive to people, don't be surprised if they get offended and say unkind things to you.
Flattery will get you nowhere
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:25 AM   #38
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I think everything should start at 20 years of age. Right to vote, drink and serve your country. Basically one becomes a full fledged adult at 20 years of age. Buy guns. 18 & 21 WTF? That never made any sense to me.
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:27 AM   #39
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The NRA gave congressman Ballwasher a triple A grade for his continued support of No Child Left Behind Without A Glock program. It's recently come under fire due to the rash of playground shootings involving some criminal elements approaching and attempting to confiscate preschoolers pudding pops. One sound bite that is getting extensive airplay on the internet is a scene where a first grader approached a preschooler and demanded his delicious pudding treat but instead was met with "you want my pop? I'll pop a cap."

NRA has hailed little Johnny as a hero, called him "one of the smartest gun advocates out there for no age restrictions on hand guns," and plan to team him up with Sarah Palin for a 2016 presidential run.
The pudding pop mafia don has been identified.

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Old 08-08-2013, 11:27 AM   #40
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I don't think there has been a thread posted in DC yet that hasn't offended somebody.
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:36 AM   #41
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I don't think there has been a thread posted in DC yet that hasn't offended somebody.
I need to post another Obama v. Putin poll.
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:43 AM   #42
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I agree.

I am no supporter of the NRA and I would be more concerned about their stance that felons should be able to own guns instead of this.
I have mixed emotions on it. On one hand I want to be forgiving and think that once the time has been served for a Crime they should be able to start over but, I’m really not that forgiving.
I have a very liberal friend that was arguing that point in regards to Felons being able to vote. I have no doubt he would not feel the same way about gun ownership with convicted felons. It is a bit of a quandary for me in that I view violet and nonviolent criminals in a completely different light.
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:45 AM   #43
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I have mixed emotions on it. On one hand I want to be forgiving and think that once the time has been served for a Crime they should be able to start over but, I’m really not that forgiving.
I have a very liberal friend that was arguing that point in regards to Felons being able to vote. I have no doubt he would not feel the same way about gun ownership with convicted felons. It is a bit of a quandary for me in that I view violet and nonviolent criminals in a completely different light.
Of course you must. The purple glare from the violet criminals can be quite damaging. Nobody is impervious to that.
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I need to post another Obama v. Putin poll.
It is funny that you like to irritate but yet are far from imperturbable.
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That statement reminds me of an argument I had with a liberal once...was pissed off because here in AZ we put a rapist/murderer to death who'd been on death row for umpteen years...told me "I think everyone who believes in the death penalty should be killed". I laughed my ass off at his "logic".
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People who say shit like this is why people are concerned about people like you having a gun.
It's funny to see the people that can't recognize an obvious hyperbole.

People are sick and tired of hearing the gun grabbers and your panty waist big mouth POTUS. Just already.
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