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Old 08-08-2013, 09:44 AM  
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NRA Wants 18-Year Olds To Buy Handguns

Because, there aren't enough 18 year old kids packing heat.....

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NRA asks Supreme Court to lift ban on handgun sales to teens
By Ben Goad - 08/07/13 02:22 PM ET

The National Rifle Association is asking the Supreme Court to strike down decades-old regulations prohibiting the sales of handguns to those under the age of 21.

The powerful gun lobby is challenging a lower federal court’s October ruling that upheld the ban. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit ruled that the current regulations are consistent with a long-held view that young adults between the ages of 18 and 20 “tend to be relatively immature and that denying them easy access to handguns would deter violent crime.”

“As with felons and the mentally ill, categorically restricting the presumptive Second Amendment rights of 18-to-20-year-olds does not violate the central concern of the Second Amendment,” the court found.

The court noted it is legal for adults under the age of 21 to buy other types of guns, including rifles and shotguns. Further, parents or guardians can give their 18 to 20-year-olds handguns as a gift, and there are no laws barring either the possession or use of a handgun by adults younger than 21.
Still, the law’s prohibition of commercial sales of handguns to young adults amounts to a “categorical burden on the fundamental right to keep and bear arms,” the NRA argued in its petition to the high court, filed last week.*
The group argues that the regulations fly in the face of the 2008 District of Columbia v. Heller ruling that allows people to carry handguns for self-defense.*

“The Framers’ decision to enshrine the Second Amendment and this Court’s decisions recognizing that the right it secures is both individual and fundamental are decisions with consequences," the NRA wrote in the 224-page petition. “One obvious consequence is that individuals above the legal age of majority cannot be denied any meaningful ability to purchase the quintessential means for exercising the core individual right.”

Officials with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, listed as respondent to the petition, did not immediately respond Wednesday to a request for comment.*

The court could decide as early as Sept. 30 whether or not to take up the case.

Noting that the justices have declined to hear other cases involving firearms, UCLA law professor Adam Winkler said it is unlikely that they would grant the NRA's request, particularly because the lower courts have consistently held up current law. 

Even if they do consider the case, Winkler said he expects the justices would side with the circuit courts, considering that 18 to 21-year-olds have an especially higher than average rates of suicide, criminal behavior and drug and alcohol abuse.

"On the other hand, we allow 18-year-olds to bear arms in defense of the nation," he said. "Perhaps they should be allowed to defend themselves."
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:10 PM   #76
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If they are mature enough to have sex at fifteen they are mature enough to support and raise a child. THAT is when they're ready to have sex.
I agree but we all know 99.9% of 15 years old aren't mature enough to have sex
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:10 PM   #77
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If it was up to me, you'd need to be able to do to three things to vote:

1. Have a valid ID
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3. Have a ****ing job

There goes two-thirds of the Democratic base, though, so we can't let that happen.
Yet give everybody a pistol....

Solid thinking there.
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:12 PM   #78
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an 18 year old can own a handgun he or she just cannot walk into store and buy it. Their parents can and can give it to son or daughter.
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:14 PM   #79
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Yet give everybody a pistol....

Solid thinking there.
Yep. I remember it like it was yesterday. I was playing with my friends and a big black NRA truck pulled up, and some creepy guy handed us all assault rifles and 500 rounds then drove away. We immediately knocked over a liquor store and then shot up a school bus for kicks. What a day.

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Old 08-08-2013, 01:16 PM   #80
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Serious question - why do all liberals automatically assume that just because someone owns a gun they're going to do something bad with it?

Does your 15 year old daughter have access to a hammer? A knife? Then should kill you in your sleep with one of those just as easily as if she shot you.
I don't believe that all would do something bad. I believe that some would.
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:17 PM   #81
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Serious question - why do all liberals automatically assume that just because someone owns a gun they're going to do something bad with it?

Does your 15 year old daughter have access to a hammer? A knife? Then should kill you in your sleep with one of those just as easily as if she shot you.
Do you have teenagers? If not get back with me when you do.

In all seriousness though I don't assume that with adults I just wouldn't trust very many 15 years old with a handgun.
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:20 PM   #82
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If they are mature enough to have sex at fifteen they are mature enough to support and raise a child. THAT is when they're ready to have sex.
I'm literally drooling on my keyboard after repeatedly hitting myself in the head with a hammer because I truly believe you think that.
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:22 PM   #83
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Do you have teenagers? If not get back with me when you do.

In all seriousness though I don't assume that with adults I just wouldn't trust very many 15 years old with a handgun.
I have a Goddaughter. And as long as she had the proper training I'd much rather she had a gun and knew how to use it than not.
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:25 PM   #84
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Yep. I remember it like it was yesterday. I was playing with my friends and a big black NRA truck pulled up, and some creepy guy handed us all assault rifles and 500 rounds then drove away. We immediately knocked over a liquor store and then shot up a school bus for kicks. What a day.

You never forget your first time.
Two different issues. I was referencing your suggestion that we restrict right to vote because you don't like how the majority votes.

Furthermore, I don't believe for a minute you knocked over a liquor store. First, who wouldn't identify immediately a bald fat guy (hehehe) who's in the liquor store more than the owner. Second, no ****ing way you have friends.

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Old 08-08-2013, 01:26 PM   #85
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I have a Goddaughter. And as long as she had the proper training I'd much rather she had a gun and knew how to use it than not.
****ing what? A Goddaughter?

Well that certainly qualifies you to talk about parenting teens.
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Two different issues. I was referencing your suggestion that we restrict right to vote because you don't like how the majority votes.

Furthermore, I don't believe for a minute you knocked over a liquor store. First, who wouldn't identify immediately a bald fat guy (hehehe) who's in the liquor store more than the owner. Second, no ****ing way you have friends.

I wasn't fat and bald when I was 7!
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I have a Goddaughter. And as long as she had the proper training I'd much rather she had a gun and knew how to use it than not.
Teenagers get all kinds of training driving that doesn't mean I fully trust my kid driving. That is why their insurance is triple of everyone else's.
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****ing what? A Goddaughter?

Well that certainly qualifies you to talk about parenting teens.
Yeah, to hell with her, right? I probably shouldn't even ever talk to her again.

Well, ask yourself this, then, Einstein. Your daughter (who is apparently so much more important than my Goddaughter) is attacked by a rapist. Would you rather she was able to defend herself, or get raped and ****ing murdered because you're scared of guns?
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I wasn't fat and bald when I was 7!
God I was. Really dark too. It's a good think I didn't have a hoodie.
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Yeah, to hell with her, right? I probably shouldn't even ever talk to her again.

Well, ask yourself this, then, Einstein. Your daughter (who is apparently so much more important than my Goddaughter) is attacked by a rapist. Would you rather she was able to defend herself, or get raped and ****ing murdered because you're scared of guns?
She could pee herself. That seems to be acceptable to the anti-gun crowd.
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