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Old 08-08-2013, 08:44 AM  
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NRA Wants 18-Year Olds To Buy Handguns

Because, there aren't enough 18 year old kids packing heat.....

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NRA asks Supreme Court to lift ban on handgun sales to teens
By Ben Goad - 08/07/13 02:22 PM ET

The National Rifle Association is asking the Supreme Court to strike down decades-old regulations prohibiting the sales of handguns to those under the age of 21.

The powerful gun lobby is challenging a lower federal court’s October ruling that upheld the ban. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit ruled that the current regulations are consistent with a long-held view that young adults between the ages of 18 and 20 “tend to be relatively immature and that denying them easy access to handguns would deter violent crime.”

“As with felons and the mentally ill, categorically restricting the presumptive Second Amendment rights of 18-to-20-year-olds does not violate the central concern of the Second Amendment,” the court found.

The court noted it is legal for adults under the age of 21 to buy other types of guns, including rifles and shotguns. Further, parents or guardians can give their 18 to 20-year-olds handguns as a gift, and there are no laws barring either the possession or use of a handgun by adults younger than 21.
Still, the law’s prohibition of commercial sales of handguns to young adults amounts to a “categorical burden on the fundamental right to keep and bear arms,” the NRA argued in its petition to the high court, filed last week.*
The group argues that the regulations fly in the face of the 2008 District of Columbia v. Heller ruling that allows people to carry handguns for self-defense.*

“The Framers’ decision to enshrine the Second Amendment and this Court’s decisions recognizing that the right it secures is both individual and fundamental are decisions with consequences," the NRA wrote in the 224-page petition. “One obvious consequence is that individuals above the legal age of majority cannot be denied any meaningful ability to purchase the quintessential means for exercising the core individual right.”

Officials with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, listed as respondent to the petition, did not immediately respond Wednesday to a request for comment.*

The court could decide as early as Sept. 30 whether or not to take up the case.

Noting that the justices have declined to hear other cases involving firearms, UCLA law professor Adam Winkler said it is unlikely that they would grant the NRA's request, particularly because the lower courts have consistently held up current law. 

Even if they do consider the case, Winkler said he expects the justices would side with the circuit courts, considering that 18 to 21-year-olds have an especially higher than average rates of suicide, criminal behavior and drug and alcohol abuse.

"On the other hand, we allow 18-year-olds to bear arms in defense of the nation," he said. "Perhaps they should be allowed to defend themselves."
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:12 PM   #106
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I dunno, I had access to guns since 12 and shot them much younger. Never really saw the problem.
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:15 PM   #107
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There's a hell of a lot of other factors here besides they give them more responsibility. There's a religious climate, a political climate, role of technology, and their role in the community.

You are talking about comparing collectivist cultures with individualist cultures. It's apples and oranges.
Yes but I am bitching about all of it as it relates to maturity. You are underestimating the vast breadth of my whining on this!
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:18 PM   #108
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I am not confusing anything. It is just silly to say something so black and white about 15 year olds and their parents given the various rates at which children develop as well as the subjective nature of what maturity is. I don't disagree with your basic premise that many kids are overprotected and thus their development is held back though.
I understand there have to be certain allowances for variances which is why I said 15 and not 12. (And yes there are always exceptions but I'm busy making blanket statements here!)
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:21 PM   #109
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Sounds like you do not like the American version of freedom.

American freedom, Get off my lawn.
This is certainly one area that I have serious complaints about America. That and the lack of bidets!!!

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Old 08-08-2013, 02:26 PM   #110
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There are a lot of good arguments here to lower the firearms purchase age to the lower teens or tweeny bopper years.

I wish these would get pitched to the NRA so that they would quit wasting time and money on their losing court case and insist that Congress change the law.

Is the NRA too scared to really advocate for lowering the firearms purchase age?

The only way to get it done is through legislative action.

Too much egghead theory in this thread.
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:29 PM   #111
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This is certainly one area that I have serious complaints about America. That and the lack of bidets!!!

Oh great, yet another thing you have to take training courses to use safely.
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:32 PM   #112
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I dunno, I had access to guns since 12 and shot them much younger. Never really saw the problem.
Yup. You turned out just fine.
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:34 PM   #113
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This is certainly one area that I have serious complaints about America. That and the lack of bidets!!!

I've never used a bidet, however I imagine I would look an awful lot like Crocodile Dundee.
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:38 PM   #114
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Oh great, yet another thing you have to take training courses to use safely.
Yes, but not to use safely—just to know what it is, what it's used for and how to use it. I mean I was stumped when I was in France with one of those in my room. First I thought it was a sink with an odd faucet then a toilet.
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:43 PM   #115
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I've never used a bidet, however I imagine I would look an awful lot like Crocodile Dundee.
I remember being drunk in France thinking "who the **** put a water fountain in the middle of the toilet?"
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:46 PM   #116
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Yes, but not to use safely—just to know what it is, what it's used for and how to use it. I mean I was stumped when I was in France with one of those in my room. First I thought it was a sink with an odd faucet then a toilet.
Did this happen before you got so interested in politics?
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Did this happen before you got so interested in politics?
No. I was a college student. That's when I got interested in politics.
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I remember being drunk in France thinking "who the **** put a water fountain in the middle of the toilet?"
Heh! I washed my underwear in it. Laundry day.
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I remember being drunk in France thinking "who the **** put a water fountain in the middle of the toilet?"


I'd have called maintenance.

"Sir, um, we have a problem. Every time I flush a geyser erupts."
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And where's the goddamn toilet paper?
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