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Old 08-12-2013, 10:26 AM  
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Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, study finds

Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, study finds

Rob Waugh 3 hours ago Yahoo! News

Religious people are less intelligent than non-believers, according to a new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades.

A team led by Miron Zuckerman of the University of Rochester found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 studies

Even in extreme old age, intelligent people are less likely to believe, the researchers found - and the reasons why people with high IQs shun religion may not be as simple as previously thought.

Previous studies have tended to assume that intelligent people simply “know better”, the researchers write - but the reasons may be more complex.

For instance, intelligent people are more likely to be married, and more likely to be successful in life - and this may mean they “need” religion less.

The studies used in Zuckerman's paper included a life-long analysis of the beliefs of a group of 1,500 gifted children - those with IQs over 135 - in a study which began in 1921 and continues today.

Even at 75 to 91 years of age, the children from Lewis Terman’s study scored lower for religiosity than the general population - contrary to the widely held belief that people turn to God as they age. The researchers noted that data was lacking about religious attitudes in old age and say, “Additional research is needed to resolve this issue.”

As early as 1958, Michael Argyle concluded, “Although intelligent children grasp religious concepts earlier, they are also the first to doubt the truth of religion, and intelligent students are much less likely to accept orthodox beliefs, and rather less likely to have pro-religious attitudes.”

A 1916 study quoted in Zuckerman’s paper (Leuba) found that, “58% of randomly selected scientists in the United States expressed disbelief in, or doubt regarding the existence of God; this proportion rose to nearly 70% for the most eminent scientists.”

The paper, published in the academic journal Personality and Social Psychology Review, said “Most extant explanations (of a negative relation) share one central theme—the premise that religious beliefs are irrational, not anchored in science, not testable and, therefore, unappealing to intelligent people who “know better.”

The answer may, however, be more complex. Intelligent people may simply be able to provide themselves with the psychological benefits offered by religion - such as “self-regulation and self-enhancement”, because they are more likely to be successful, and have stable lives.

“Intelligent people typically spend more time in school—a form of self-regulation that may yield long-term benefits,” the researchers write. “More intelligent people get higher level jobs (and better employment (and higher salary) may lead to higher self-esteem, and encourage personal control beliefs.”

“Last, more intelligent people are more likely to get and stay married (greater attachment), though for intelligent people, that too comes later in life. We therefore suggest that as intelligent people move from young adulthood to adulthood and then to middle age, the benefits of intelligence may continue to accrue.”

The researchers suggest that further research on the “function” of religion may reveal more.

“People possessing the functions that religion provides are likely to adopt atheism, people lacking these very functions (e.g., the poor, the helpless) are likely to adopt theism,” the researchers wrote.
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:12 PM   #16
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Whoa whoa WHOA. Stop right there! Liberals have denied IQ exists for years. Espcially that troublesome little topic of IQ by groups (and you know what I'm referring to). So now we find out that Liberals do in fact believe IQ differs by group?

You denied this road existed for eons. Now you're going down the road. Unreal.
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:17 PM   #17
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" God was wise and decided not to let the people of this world use their wisdom to learn about him. Instead, God chose to save only those who believe the foolish message we preach. " ~ 1 Corinthians 1:21
God intentionally made religion sound foolish, in order to keep people from using their wisdom to learn? I don't understand why you would post this. Do you take solace in knowing that your creator prefers you to be dumb?
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:18 PM   #18
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Any studies on the intelligence of people who think disarming law abiding citizens will make us all safer?

Probably not, right?

Totally irrational to make the association between gun control and violence, right?

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Old 08-12-2013, 12:37 PM   #19
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God intentionally made religion sound foolish, in order to keep people from using their wisdom to learn? I don't understand why you would post this. Do you take solace in knowing that your creator prefers you to be dumb?
Not dumb, but faith in simplicity.
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:38 PM   #20
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Sounds good. So, we can start looking at traits of societal groups and attach generalizations to that group now.
Let's see, what other societal groups are known for some negative behaviors, or characteristics?
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:40 PM   #21
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Damn you are ****ing retarded. Every time a liberal poll makes such an assertion, the exact opposite is found true ( see the test that excluded many basic logic tests in favor for word association in the past ). If the article shows anything, it shows that indoctrination is alive & well. Like most dumbasses, Atheist have to keep telling themselves they are intelligent to mask their inadequacies. Sadly, it doesn't work that way - we still all know you're a ****ing idiot.
I'm just the messenger, I didn't write the ****ing thing.

Not sure why you're so upset about it. You're going to heaven while the non-believers are facing a eternity of heat and Cassel-era Chiefs football. I would think that such knowledge would be enough for you, but you feel the need to throw out insults as well. Seems a little defensive, frankly.
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:41 PM   #22
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God intentionally made religion sound foolish, in order to keep people from using their wisdom to learn? I don't understand why you would post this. Do you take solace in knowing that your creator prefers you to be dumb?
the point is supposed to be this:

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Old 08-12-2013, 12:53 PM   #23
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Whoa whoa WHOA. Stop right there! Liberals have denied IQ exists for years. Espcially that troublesome little topic of IQ by groups (and you know what I'm referring to). So now we find out that Liberals do in fact believe IQ differs by group?

You denied this road existed for eons. Now you're going down the road. Unreal.
Not sure what liberal/not liberal has to do with this, and really not sure where you get the statement that liberals deny IQ exists.

You are also trying to confuse the notion of IQ being inherently lower among certain groups of people such as racial and ethnic groups, which are of course groups in which a person has no choice in joining--versus groups in which people made a choice to join.

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Old 08-12-2013, 01:01 PM   #24
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I've often found that "religious" people who are also intelligent are simply using religion as a societal crutch.

You have to be pretty moonbat to think you have a relationship with an invisible man in the sky.
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Old 08-12-2013, 01:03 PM   #25
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the point is supposed to be this:
Damn, dude get a life. Even frazbob takes breaks from rep stalking.

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**** Official Chiefs VS... 08-10-2013 09:51 PM Pawnmower I bet just being average would be awesome compared to being a drooling ****ing moron like you. I wouldn't know though, because I am exceptionally gifted.
Aside from that, how are you going to say you are exceptionally gifted when it is widely acknowledged that you are one of the dumbest posters on the board? FFS you were one of the last non-troll cassell supporters on the board.
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Old 08-12-2013, 01:05 PM   #26
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Albert Einstein's religious views have been studied extensively. He said he believed in the "pantheistic" God of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal god, a belief he criticized. He also called himself an agnostic, while disassociating himself from the label atheist, preferring, he said an "attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."[1]
I wonder if he is low IQ?
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FFS you were one of the last non-troll cassell supporters on the board.
LOL

Show me 3 things I ever said about Cassel that weren't reasonable...

and I will have a 1 week truce with you and consider an armistice


fail to do this, and I will double my efforts at destroying your soul

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Maybe intelligent people are less likely to be religious because God is spending most of his/her time trying to talk the dumb ones out of climbing electrical poles and eating food off the floor.
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I've often found that "religious" people who are also intelligent are simply using religion as a societal crutch.

You have to be pretty moonbat to think you have a relationship with an invisible man in the sky.
Maybe God is a Homeland Security drone.
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LOL

Show me 3 things I ever said about Cassel that weren't reasonable...

and I will have a 1 week truce with you and consider an armistice


fail to do this, and I will double my efforts at destroying your soul

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a truce? destroying my soul? You are a ****ing moron. It's a goddamn messageboard. You and frazbob are both ****ing losers that take this shit way too seriously. Are you getting embarrassed because everyone can see just how little of a life you have?

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