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Old 08-12-2013, 09:26 AM  
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Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, study finds

Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, study finds

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Religious people are less intelligent than non-believers, according to a new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades.

A team led by Miron Zuckerman of the University of Rochester found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 studies

Even in extreme old age, intelligent people are less likely to believe, the researchers found - and the reasons why people with high IQs shun religion may not be as simple as previously thought.

Previous studies have tended to assume that intelligent people simply “know better”, the researchers write - but the reasons may be more complex.

For instance, intelligent people are more likely to be married, and more likely to be successful in life - and this may mean they “need” religion less.

The studies used in Zuckerman's paper included a life-long analysis of the beliefs of a group of 1,500 gifted children - those with IQs over 135 - in a study which began in 1921 and continues today.

Even at 75 to 91 years of age, the children from Lewis Terman’s study scored lower for religiosity than the general population - contrary to the widely held belief that people turn to God as they age. The researchers noted that data was lacking about religious attitudes in old age and say, “Additional research is needed to resolve this issue.”

As early as 1958, Michael Argyle concluded, “Although intelligent children grasp religious concepts earlier, they are also the first to doubt the truth of religion, and intelligent students are much less likely to accept orthodox beliefs, and rather less likely to have pro-religious attitudes.”

A 1916 study quoted in Zuckerman’s paper (Leuba) found that, “58% of randomly selected scientists in the United States expressed disbelief in, or doubt regarding the existence of God; this proportion rose to nearly 70% for the most eminent scientists.”

The paper, published in the academic journal Personality and Social Psychology Review, said “Most extant explanations (of a negative relation) share one central theme—the premise that religious beliefs are irrational, not anchored in science, not testable and, therefore, unappealing to intelligent people who “know better.”

The answer may, however, be more complex. Intelligent people may simply be able to provide themselves with the psychological benefits offered by religion - such as “self-regulation and self-enhancement”, because they are more likely to be successful, and have stable lives.

“Intelligent people typically spend more time in school—a form of self-regulation that may yield long-term benefits,” the researchers write. “More intelligent people get higher level jobs (and better employment (and higher salary) may lead to higher self-esteem, and encourage personal control beliefs.”

“Last, more intelligent people are more likely to get and stay married (greater attachment), though for intelligent people, that too comes later in life. We therefore suggest that as intelligent people move from young adulthood to adulthood and then to middle age, the benefits of intelligence may continue to accrue.”

The researchers suggest that further research on the “function” of religion may reveal more.

“People possessing the functions that religion provides are likely to adopt atheism, people lacking these very functions (e.g., the poor, the helpless) are likely to adopt theism,” the researchers wrote.
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:15 PM   #31
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Maybe intelligent people are less likely to be religious because God is spending most of his/her time trying to talk the dumb ones out of climbing electrical poles and eating food off the floor.
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:17 PM   #32
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LOL

Show me 3 things I ever said about Cassel that weren't reasonable...

and I will have a 1 week truce with you and consider an armistice


fail to do this, and I will double my efforts at destroying your soul

you have 30 minutes on the clock
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Religious people are... 08-12-2013 01:06 PM Pawnmower I smoke better weed than you. I drinker better booze. I live a more fulfilling life. I am superior to you in every possible way. How does that feel, my bretheren?
It just shows you are full of shit.

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Old 08-12-2013, 12:19 PM   #33
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a truce? destroying my soul? You are a ****ing moron.
I would argue you are the moron if you cant find even 3 things I said about Cassel that are unreasonable after making bold claims.

You have about 15 minutes left
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:21 PM   #34
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It just shows you are full of shit.

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You were / are the kind of child who can dish it, and plenty, but whiones and cries the moment it is dished to you...

AM I right?

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Old 08-12-2013, 12:21 PM   #35
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the point is supposed to be this:
I understand the intent, but I still very much question how it's being applied. It basically equates to "It's too complex for anybody but the creator to understand". But we've spent the last 2,000 years disproving that notion. Don't you think that should be considered? At one time, the world was considered to be flat, and Earth was considered to be the center of the universe. Which are ideas directly from the Bible, and once accepted as truths. Questioning that could have resulted in severe punishment from the church. Ask Giordano Bruno, who was burned at the stake for his cosmological ideas. Galileo was throw in prison for his heliocentric model. There's an infinite amount of knowledge we now accept as truth, that was all once considered unknowable and only for God to understand. The things that were once too complex and only for God to know, are now common knowledge. If that biblical idea is correct, then what about all the advancement we've made? How do you account for that?

And regardless, do you personally believe that if there were an omnipotent omniscient creator, that he'd want his creations to have a set static amount of knowledge and be content with "God did it" for everything else? Do you think it would make sense to give man free will, but yet limit his knowledge in which to execute that free will? And if you do believe that, what's the explanation for why that has failed? If knowledge only comes from God, how do you explain all the knowledge we've gained since, if God was content with our knowledge as of 2000 years ago?
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:22 PM   #36
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Anyone seen the study showing the higher the IQ of a women, the less likely to breed. Progressives die out on their own apparently. They don't survive—they're not the fittest.

You must have 8 or so kids then...?
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:22 PM   #37
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I wonder if he is low IQ?

Nah. He was home-schooled. Just ask BEP...
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:27 PM   #38
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Seems rather silly, considering all the Founding Fathers were Christian.
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:29 PM   #39
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Not sure what liberal/not liberal has to do with this, and really not sure where you get the statement that liberals deny IQ exists.

You are also trying to confuse the notion of IQ being inherently lower among certain groups of people such as racial and ethnic groups, which are of course groups in which a person has no choice in joining--versus groups in which people made a choice to join.
Let's try this again: do you believe IQ differs among different racial and ethnic groups? Yes or no.
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:35 PM   #40
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It basically equates to "It's too complex for anybody but the creator to understand". But we've spent the last 2,000 years disproving that notion.
Well, TRYING to disprove it...there are still holes in most of the biggest theories....and plenty of things we don't understand etc....Personally I do not feel that science and God (a pantheistic God, a la Einstein) are mutually exclusive.

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Don't you think that should be considered? At one time, the world was considered to be flat, and Earth was considered to be the center of the universe. Which are ideas directly from the Bible, and once accepted as truths. Questioning that could have resulted in severe punishment from the church. Ask Giordano Bruno, who was burned at the stake for his cosmological ideas. Galileo was throw in prison for his heliocentric model. There's an infinite amount of knowledge we now accept as truth, that was all once considered unknowable and only for God to understand. The things that were once too complex and only for God to know, are now common knowledge. If that biblical idea is correct, then what about all the advancement we've made? How do you account for that?
The thing is , my understanding of God and the bible is probably different from most/many others. I am all for questioning things and in fact I know (believe) that the bible (especially the King James Version) suffers from bad translations and I do not personally believe that the words written on those pages are infallible and not to be questioned....

Again, my God is one with science. My God lives in harmony with nature, and is OK with truths being revealed and discovered that are not contained / explained by the "bible".

The "Bible" is merely a collection of writings, with stories and in no way (to me) is a complete source of all information.

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And regardless, do you personally believe that if there were an omnipotent omniscient creator, that he'd want his creations to have a set static amount of knowledge and be content with "God did it" for everything else? Do you think it would make sense to give man free will, but yet limit his knowledge in which to execute that free will? And if you do believe that, what's the explanation for why that has failed? If knowledge only comes from God, how do you explain all the knowledge we've gained since, if God was content with our knowledge as of 2000 years ago?
There are a LOT of good questions here..! I mean this would take me a long time to answer everything but let me make a brief attempt. I really like this subject and I think you are hitting the main points...

I do believe there is a creator........but I don't believe our knowledge is static. In fact I think our knowledge grows with every new generation, as in evolution. Our minds are evolving. All of the knowledge we have now will be nothing in 10 generations, as it is now when we look 10 generations in the past.

Yet I mean there are limits. I do not think we will ever KNOW everything. For example, I do not think we will ever KNOW who or what created the universe.....but yes I do believe in free will.

Why would a creator create us, with limitations and not reveal himself to us?

That is the ultimate question but I think you have already said the answer. Free will...we , imperfect creatures, live our lives to spread joy and happiness, and excercise our free will to HELP others and redeem ourselves daily by loving other people. Or at least we should, IMO.

Knowledge only "comes from God" in the way that everything came from God (IMO).....I mean we use the tools of science etc...to discover things, but if one believes that God created this beautiful, chaotic, random, adapting, changing, evolving , expanding Universe...then everything came from God...even science, evolution...etc...

Sorry for the wall of text but I enjoyed your question.
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Not true, and more importantly, not relevant.
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