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Old 08-12-2013, 09:26 AM  
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Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, study finds

Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, study finds

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Religious people are less intelligent than non-believers, according to a new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades.

A team led by Miron Zuckerman of the University of Rochester found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 studies

Even in extreme old age, intelligent people are less likely to believe, the researchers found - and the reasons why people with high IQs shun religion may not be as simple as previously thought.

Previous studies have tended to assume that intelligent people simply “know better”, the researchers write - but the reasons may be more complex.

For instance, intelligent people are more likely to be married, and more likely to be successful in life - and this may mean they “need” religion less.

The studies used in Zuckerman's paper included a life-long analysis of the beliefs of a group of 1,500 gifted children - those with IQs over 135 - in a study which began in 1921 and continues today.

Even at 75 to 91 years of age, the children from Lewis Terman’s study scored lower for religiosity than the general population - contrary to the widely held belief that people turn to God as they age. The researchers noted that data was lacking about religious attitudes in old age and say, “Additional research is needed to resolve this issue.”

As early as 1958, Michael Argyle concluded, “Although intelligent children grasp religious concepts earlier, they are also the first to doubt the truth of religion, and intelligent students are much less likely to accept orthodox beliefs, and rather less likely to have pro-religious attitudes.”

A 1916 study quoted in Zuckerman’s paper (Leuba) found that, “58% of randomly selected scientists in the United States expressed disbelief in, or doubt regarding the existence of God; this proportion rose to nearly 70% for the most eminent scientists.”

The paper, published in the academic journal Personality and Social Psychology Review, said “Most extant explanations (of a negative relation) share one central theme—the premise that religious beliefs are irrational, not anchored in science, not testable and, therefore, unappealing to intelligent people who “know better.”

The answer may, however, be more complex. Intelligent people may simply be able to provide themselves with the psychological benefits offered by religion - such as “self-regulation and self-enhancement”, because they are more likely to be successful, and have stable lives.

“Intelligent people typically spend more time in school—a form of self-regulation that may yield long-term benefits,” the researchers write. “More intelligent people get higher level jobs (and better employment (and higher salary) may lead to higher self-esteem, and encourage personal control beliefs.”

“Last, more intelligent people are more likely to get and stay married (greater attachment), though for intelligent people, that too comes later in life. We therefore suggest that as intelligent people move from young adulthood to adulthood and then to middle age, the benefits of intelligence may continue to accrue.”

The researchers suggest that further research on the “function” of religion may reveal more.

“People possessing the functions that religion provides are likely to adopt atheism, people lacking these very functions (e.g., the poor, the helpless) are likely to adopt theism,” the researchers wrote.
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Old 08-12-2013, 04:35 PM   #106
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As a non-believer, this study doesn't bother me. But then, it wouldn't bother me much if a study came out that showed football fans have a lower IQ than fans of baseball. I'm still always going to choose football over baseball and assume that it's the rest of you clowns pulling down our average.
Ah, patteeu, always sometimes the voice of reason.

I would guess that baseball "fans" have a higher overall IQ than football "fans". I consider myself a fan of both, but would almost always choose to watch football over baseball.
While we're on the topic though, NASCAR fans surely have the lowest IQ.
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Old 08-12-2013, 04:48 PM   #107
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Here's an example of an atheist who is really, really intelligent. A good example of being smart but not necessarily rational, having social skills, common sense or having street smarts. Oh, and his mom is what he calls a "religious nut" but who has more common sense than this genius.




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Old 08-12-2013, 05:32 PM   #108
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Ah, patteeu, always sometimes the voice of reason.

I would guess that baseball "fans" have a higher overall IQ than football "fans". I consider myself a fan of both, but would almost always choose to watch football over baseball.
While we're on the topic though, NASCAR fans surely have the lowest IQ.
Just admit it was a lame ass thread you posted just to flame people who believe there is a god.
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Old 08-12-2013, 05:35 PM   #109
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Just admit it was a lame ass thread you posted just to flame people who believe there is a god.
No sh it. What's the point of starting this? So you can giggle to yourself pathetically? Jaysus...Get. A. Life.
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Old 08-12-2013, 06:13 PM   #110
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Old 08-12-2013, 06:45 PM   #111
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Even in extreme old age, intelligent people are less likely to believe, the researchers found - and the reasons why people with high IQs shun religion may not be as simple as previously thought.

Previous studies have tended to assume that intelligent people simply “know better”, the researchers write - but the reasons may be more complex.

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We shall see how people that "know better" fare at the Great White Throne Judgement. I'm sure this study isn't slanted at all.
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Old 08-12-2013, 06:47 PM   #112
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Also, this stuff is spread out over a couple years.
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Previous studies have tended to assume that intelligent people simply “know better”, the researchers write - but the reasons may be more complex.
Like time management.

Some people (like me) grow up devoting huge chunks of their week to a religion.

Always had the sense of "I could be using this time more wisely. Like sleeping."
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Old 08-12-2013, 07:30 PM   #114
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Just admit it was a lame ass thread you posted just to flame people who believe there is a god.
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No sh it. What's the point of starting this? So you can giggle to yourself pathetically? Jaysus...Get. A. Life.
The thread is only as lame as the posts in it.

Pardon me for posting an article I saw on a frequent topic of discussion.

Let's see...what else we got on here--
Oprah and a purse, Paula Deen, religious weirdos at sea, Obama and the rodeo, Obama an idiot, Obama a dictator, Obama is history's worst monster...

Sorry for mucking up the board.
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The thread is only as lame as the posts in it.

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The thread is only as lame as the posts in it.

Pardon me for posting an article I saw on a frequent topic of discussion.

Let's see...what else we got on here--
Oprah and a purse, Paula Deen, religious weirdos at sea, Obama and the rodeo, Obama an idiot, Obama a dictator, Obama is history's worst monster...

Sorry for mucking up the board.
What you don't find news tidbits from hcf's aol inbox useful and enlightening?
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Old 08-12-2013, 07:42 PM   #117
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This thread is ridiculous. The vast majority of people are complete idiots to try and differentiate what percentage falls on what side of this is a pointless venture. Trying to claim atheists are more intelligent is like trying to say you're smarter just because you are a liberal.
Someone has a hard time discerning individual data points from a cumulative analysis.
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Old 08-12-2013, 08:01 PM   #118
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I don't post in DC much but I think the "successful in life" part rings loudly true for many and especially in my case as to why I don't need religion in my life. Even when being raised Catholic (church every Sunday/catholic education every Wednesday), I never prayed to God to help me accomplish a task or to make me believe I would do well. I knew that came from me preparing and attacking whatever I had to accomplish myself. It was and always has been up to me to be successful and that I have done, with help from my parents and the determination that I had numerous goals I've wanted to accomplish.

I find many religious people continue to put their faith in God to dictate daily actions when simply you must put your faith in yourself to achieve your needs. Not to say that people who are less successful shouldn't put their faith in a higher power if it helps them to continue to move forward to that goal, but the success/failure of that goal solely rest on you and nothing more.
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"A team led by Miron Zuckerman of the University of Rochester found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 studies."

In terms of a meta-analysis, that seems fairly significant.
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I don't post in DC much but I think the "successful in life" part rings loudly true for many and especially in my case as to why I don't need religion in my life. Even when being raised Catholic (church every Sunday/catholic education every Wednesday), I never prayed to God to help me accomplish a task or to make me believe I would do well. I knew that came from me preparing and attacking whatever I had to accomplish myself. It was and always has been up to me to be successful and that I have done, with help from my parents and the determination that I had numerous goals I've wanted to accomplish.

I find many religious people continue to put their faith in God to dictate daily actions when simply you must put your faith in yourself to achieve your needs. Not to say that people who are less successful shouldn't put their faith in a higher power if it helps them to continue to move forward to that goal, but the success/failure of that goal solely rest on you and nothing more.
That's why Nietzsche called it a slave religion. His viewpoint was that its promise of future rewards and inheritance served to pacify the underclass from advocating for change, as they were allayed by their ascendance into the Kingdom.

If you believe the end of your story ends in eternal bliss, why fret constantly over tenement conditions?
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