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Old 08-13-2013, 01:56 PM  
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Dying Man Denied Health Coverage Over Missing 26 Cents

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When Sergio Branco was diagnosed with acute myeloid leukemia earlier this year, his family knew the resulting medical expenses would rack up quickly.

Which is why, the Star-Ledger reports, the Edison resident and his wife Mara did everything they could to ensure that he was fully covered by a health insurance provider.

Unfortunately, after three months of leave to undergo chemotherapy, the 33-year-old truck driver was fired from his job at the waste management company Russell Reid.

Luckily, the Brancos had a fallback plan: Keep Sergio's health coverage going by signing up for coverage under the Consolidated Omnibus Reconciliation Act, or COBRA.

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Employers pick up a big part of the tab for their workers’ health insurance premiums (that’s why it’s “employer-sponsored”). Under COBRA, however, terminated employees must cover the entire cost of their health insurance premium themselves — which means that health care becomes a significantly bigger expense for people after they lose their job. Workers receive written notification that they are eligible for COBRA coverage, and have 60 days after that point to decide whether they want to accept it.

With Sergio scheduled to undergo a $500,000 life-saving bone marrow transplant in mid-August, Mara knew it was critical to apply for COBRA coverage right away.

And so she did, sending a check for $518 to Paychex, Russel Reid's third-party benefits administrator.

Except that in her rush to maintain Sergio's health insurance, Mara inadvertently neglected to write down the full monthly premium amount on her check: $518 and 26 cents.

Neither she nor Sergio knew anything was amiss since Paychex happily cashed the couple's check, but a few weeks later Sergio was abruptly informed by the hospital that he was no longer covered.

Thinking it was just a matter of sending Paychex the missing 26 cents, Mara was shocked when a representative told her the company could not accept any additional payments from the Brancos per Russell Reid instructions.


Mara's next call was to Russell Reid’s human resources rep Rich Gross.

"The whole time he said Paychex is giving me false information," Mara told the Star-Ledger. "I told him if he’d just make a phone call everything would be alright. He said he’d see what he could do."

Gross did nothing, Mara said, and neither did the Department of Labor.

Even a letter from Sergio's doctor saying plainly that the young father would die without the transplant had no effect on the parties involved.

It wasn't until reporters and attorneys got involved that Paychex suddenly changed its tune.

Last week, just days before the transplant was set to take place, the Brancos got their health insurance back.

"The Department of Labor said the company will reinstate him from May till now," Mara is quoted as saying. ""They said the company did it wrong. I am super happy. It’s like a weight has lifted off my shoulder."

The Brancos have since decided not to pursue legal action.
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Old 08-13-2013, 03:58 PM   #16
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Care to hazard a guess as to the abbreviation for insurer, genious?
I'll take a guess right after you stop trying to distract from the fact that the entire premise of this thread is a giant lie.

Care to justify why you are trying to use the misconduct of a 3rd party to indict the health care or health insurance industries.

This thread is much like you... a complete joke.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:00 PM   #17
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No idea about the rest of the world, but in the legal world it's done informally all the time. ER is employer, and EE is employee.
btw... you care to weigh in on the thread itself? You agree with dickless that the actions of a 3rd party benefits management company are legitimate cause to indict the health care or health insurance industries?
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:08 PM   #18
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Aside from the paychex debate, was this really supposed to prove America's inferiority in medical coverage or something? As if people in other nations don't ever get jobbed? That was the actual intent?
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:15 PM   #19
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Aside from the paychex debate, was this really supposed to prove America's inferiority in medical coverage or something? As if people in other nations don't ever get jobbed? That was the actual intent?
Yep. Stupid thread is stupid.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:29 PM   #20
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It's not the ignorance I mind, it's y'all's ****ing arrogance. It sounds like the employee, Russell Reid, was self-insured. Hence the use of a 3d party administrator.

If you don't understand how insurance works, don't be a raging asshole about it.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:36 PM   #21
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No idea about the rest of the world, but in the legal world it's done informally all the time. ER is employer, and EE is employee.
We abbreviate ER as POE (place of employment).

The rest of this thread is Pittsie being Pittsie. Carry on.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:51 PM   #22
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It's not the ignorance I mind, it's y'all's ****ing arrogance. It sounds like the employee, Russell Reid, was self-insured. Hence the use of a 3d party administrator.

If you don't understand how insurance works, don't be a raging asshole about it.
Jesus you are showing a ton of stupid today. COUNTLESS companies that are not self insured use third party services like Paychex or ADP or any number of others.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:04 PM   #23
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Adp is pretty horrible too.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:11 PM   #24
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So to recap, a private party had a long fight with a corporation after an error on their own part and won, receiving everything they asked for.

Also: "Last week, just days before the transplant was set to take place, the Brancos got their health insurance back."

Sounds like they were going to get care whether they could pay or not, doesn't it...?
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:01 PM   #25
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Terminal stuff ends up in death. Obammycare will decide who and when we get care. Its just how it is.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:37 PM   #26
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Adp is pretty horrible too.
I would think both ADP and Paychex are the largest 3rd party payroll companies out there.

My wife used to work for Paychex many years ago. She sold payroll and HR Services for them. What a cutthroat freaking business. I can't count the number of vacations she would sneak off to make phone calls to prospective clients.
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:50 AM   #27
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btw... you care to weigh in on the thread itself? You agree with dickless that the actions of a 3rd party benefits management company are legitimate cause to indict the health care or health insurance industries?
I'll weigh in on the thread itself.

Pittsie (Cave Johnson) tried to use the douchebag move of a single company to attack the entire health care industry and the practice of having employers provide health insurance. Pittsie also failed to acknowledge that once the story was publicized, Paychex was forced to do the right thing, the patient got the $500,000 procedure, and other than some emotional trauma there was no actual damage done to the patient. Did Paychex operate in bad faith? Obviously, yes. Should Paychex be punished for this? Probably. Does this mean that the entire health care industry is broken and that Obamacare will magically fix everything? If you believe that, you are a fool. Under Obamacare a death panel could easily decide to deny coverage for this $500,000 procedure, and if that happened there wouldn't be a damn thing the patient could do about it.

When Austinchief called out Pittsie for being intentionally misleading, Pittsie's response was to be completely obtuse, avoid addressing that issue, and throw up all sorts of red herrings like "Y'all don't know how insurance works".

It's pretty obvious that Pittsie is a zealot with an agenda. Of course, that's been obvious for years to anyone who reads his posts. Perhaps that's why he changed his user name in yet another attempt to be misleading. Or maybe he's just ashamed of his posting history. If I were him, I'd be ashamed too.
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:01 AM   #28
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I'll weigh in on the thread itself.

Pittsie (Cave Johnson) tried to use the douchebag move of a single company to attack the entire health care industry and the practice of having employers provide health insurance. Pittsie also failed to acknowledge that once the story was publicized, Paychex was forced to do the right thing, the patient got the $500,000 procedure, and other than some emotional trauma there was no actual damage done to the patient. Did Paychex operate in bad faith? Obviously, yes. Should Paychex be punished for this? Probably. Does this mean that the entire health care industry is broken and that Obamacare will magically fix everything? If you believe that, you are a fool. Under Obamacare a death panel could easily decide to deny coverage for this $500,000 procedure, and if that happened there wouldn't be a damn thing the patient could do about it.

When Austinchief called out Pittsie for being intentionally misleading, Pittsie's response was to be completely obtuse, avoid addressing that issue, and throw up all sorts of red herrings like "Y'all don't know how insurance works".

It's pretty obvious that Pittsie is a zealot with an agenda. Of course, that's been obvious for years to anyone who reads his posts. Perhaps that's why he changed his user name in yet another attempt to be misleading. Or maybe he's just ashamed of his posting history. If I were him, I'd be ashamed too.
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I would think both ADP and Paychex are the largest 3rd party payroll companies out there.

My wife used to work for Paychex many years ago. She sold payroll and HR Services for them. What a cutthroat freaking business. I can't count the number of vacations she would sneak off to make phone calls to prospective clients.
What is it about ADP you donít like?
The company I work for switched to ADP a couple of years ago.
What little I have to do with it is as an online time/labor record keeping program.
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