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Old 08-15-2013, 09:46 PM  
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It was only four days ago that North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) signed sweeping new voting restrictions into law (despite his own personal confusion over what the law says and does). But it'll probably be a little while until we start to see the practical effects, right?

Wrong. Voter-suppression efforts are off to a fast start in North Carolina (thanks to my colleague Tricia McKinney and Facebook commenter Sharon Doherty for the heads-up).

Within hours of Gov. Pat McCrory signing a Republican-backed bill this week making sweeping changes to the state's voting laws, local elections boards in two college towns made moves that could make it harder for students to vote.

The Watauga County Board of Elections voted Monday to eliminate an early voting site and election-day polling precinct on the campus of Appalachian State University.

The Pasquotank County Board of Elections on Tuesday barred an Elizabeth City State University senior from running for city council, ruling his on-campus address couldn't be used to establish local residency. Following the decision, the head of the county's Republican Party said he plans to challenge the voter registrations of more students at the historically black university ahead of upcoming elections.

Much of the criticism of the voting restrictions in North Carolina have focused on Republican efforts to suppress African-American and low-income voter participation, but efforts to target students -- who tend to be more progressive -- are a key provision of the new state law.

That Republicans are already hard at work at Elizabeth City State University checks two boxes on the GOP to-do list -- it targets students and African Americans since the school is a historically black college.

Remember, the use of student IDs for voting came up quite a bit during the legislative debate on the new voter-suppression law. State Sen. Tom Apodaca (R), the bill's chief sponsor, argued that college IDs "could be manipulated" and must therefore be excluded.

Did Apodaca have any evidence of anyone, anywhere ever using a manipulated student ID to commit voter fraud? No. Did Apodaca show that college IDs are more prone to manipulation than other forms of identification? No.

But the provision was included anyway. And now that it's part of the law, the GOP is already hard at work.

Correction: This post originally referenced possible tax penalties for parents whose kids registered to vote using their school addresses, but that was part of a separate measure that was not approved, and wasn't included in the voting restrictions signed this week. The incorrect sentence has been removed.
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Old 08-16-2013, 11:30 AM   #16
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You need ID to cash a check, drive a car, board a plane, basically do all sorts of mundane daily things. It's pretty easy to get one - at least it always has been for me. Is there some sort of "colored only" line for IDs? Seems like I would have heard Al and/or Jesse whining up a storm if that was the case.

So why is it such a big deal for the ****ing Demonrats to show ID to vote? Perhaps if you're TOO ****ING STUPID to figure out how to get an ID, or TOO ****ING LAZY to wander down to the DMV to get an ID, or if YOU'RE A ****ING CRIMINAL IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, you shoudn't be voting.

Also, if you are supposed to be a citizen to vote, and the citizenship test is in English, why are there Spanish subtitles on ballots?

Of course, none of these things concern the purveyors of the welfare state. Hell, you don't even need a pulse to cast five votes for Obama, right?
How many of those things are rights?

Why does every solution for this mythical completely false idea of voter fraud make it harder for people to vote?

What does ending early voting have to do with voter id?
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Old 08-16-2013, 11:31 AM   #17
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Ending same day registration allows for eligibility verification prior to the vote.

/yes, stopping people who are ineligible to vote from voting is the whole point
It is okay to stop people who can legalally vote from voting as long as it combats a mythical problem of voter fraud?

/anti democracy at its finest
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The easiest way to combat this non, completely made up problem:



Of course this doesn't prevent people who don't vote republican from voting, so it isn't on the republican agenda.
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Old 08-16-2013, 11:52 AM   #19
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It is okay to stop people who can legalally vote from voting as long as it combats a mythical problem of voter fraud?

/anti democracy at its finest
No one who is eligible to vote is being stopped from voting.

/vote integrity is objectionable to liberals
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What does ending early voting have to do with voter id?
Early voting is an incumbent protection measure. It stacks the deck against challengers.
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Old 08-16-2013, 11:55 AM   #21
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How many of those things are rights?

Why does every solution for this mythical completely false idea of voter fraud make it harder for people to vote?

What does ending early voting have to do with voter id?
Do you have a valid ID card?
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You need ID to cash a check, drive a car, board a plane, basically do all sorts of mundane daily things. It's pretty easy to get one - at least it always has been for me. Is there some sort of "colored only" line for IDs? Seems like I would have heard Al and/or Jesse whining up a storm if that was the case.

So why is it such a big deal for the ****ing Demonrats to show ID to vote? Perhaps if you're TOO ****ING STUPID to figure out how to get an ID, or TOO ****ING LAZY to wander down to the DMV to get an ID, or if YOU'RE A ****ING CRIMINAL IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, you shoudn't be voting.

Also, if you are supposed to be a citizen to vote, and the citizenship test is in English, why are there Spanish subtitles on ballots?

Of course, none of these things concern the purveyors of the welfare state. Hell, you don't even need a pulse to cast five votes for Obama, right?
What's so hard to understand about this?
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:13 PM   #23
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You need ID to cash a check, drive a car, board a plane, basically do all sorts of mundane daily things. It's pretty easy to get one - at least it always has been for me. Is there some sort of "colored only" line for IDs? Seems like I would have heard Al and/or Jesse whining up a storm if that was the case.

So why is it such a big deal for the ****ing Demonrats to show ID to vote? Perhaps if you're TOO ****ING STUPID to figure out how to get an ID, or TOO ****ING LAZY to wander down to the DMV to get an ID, or if YOU'RE A ****ING CRIMINAL IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, you shoudn't be voting.

Also, if you are supposed to be a citizen to vote, and the citizenship test is in English, why are there Spanish subtitles on ballots?

Of course, none of these things concern the purveyors of the welfare state. Hell, you don't even need a pulse to cast five votes for Obama, right?
Well said!

As a minority, we have voter ID in this state, and I had not one problem voting. The thing is, whether you were white, brown, black, purple or green, as long as you showed a legal ID, you could vote. There was no disenfrachisement. The dems/libs are making this sound so much worse than it is, it's just stupid. If you are here legally, you should have no problem getting a legal ID and therefore be able to vote.

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Well said!

As a minority, we have voter ID in this state, and I had not one problem voting. The thing is, whether you were white, brown, black, purple or green, as long as you showed a legal ID, you could vote. There was no disenfrachisement. The dems/libs are making this sound so much worse than it is, it's just stupid. If you are here legally, you should have no problem getting a legal ID and therefore be able to vote.

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Liberals seem to think that black people and other minorities are too stupid to navigate the traditional voter registration process. Either that or they're afraid that their ineligible voters (felons, illegal aliens, cartoon characters, etc.) won't be able to vote anymore.
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Well said!

As a minority, we have voter ID in this state, and I had not one problem voting. The thing is, whether you were white, brown, black, purple or green, as long as you showed a legal ID, you could vote. There was no disenfrachisement. The dems/libs are making this sound so much worse than it is, it's just stupid. If you are here legally, you should have no problem getting a legal ID and therefore be able to vote.

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Liberals seem to think that black people and other minorities are too stupid to navigate the traditional voter registration process. Either that or they're afraid that their ineligible voters (felons, illegal aliens, cartoon characters, etc.) won't be able to vote anymore.
I've gotten to to point where I just can't stand what the dems/libs stand for concerning race or really most other things. You can also throw in the liberal repubs in there too.

It's been almost 50 years since civil rights have been passed but we still have race issues in this country. MLK had a dream that one day we would judge each other on the content of our characters. That dream will never come to pass as long as the dems/libs continue to exploit race for political gain.

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I've gotten to to point where I just can't stand what the dems/libs stand for concerning race or really most other things. You can also throw in the liberal repubs in there too.

It's been almost 50 years since civil rights have been passed but we still have race issues in this country. MLK had a dream that one day we would judge each other on the content of our characters. That dream will never come to pass as long as the dems/libs continue to exploit race for political gain.

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Yeah, so much for liberal tolerance. You just showed your ass there but that's fine, I can take it. You libs are such hypocrits.

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The day when everyone is judged on the content of their character will be a bad day for the likes of you.
And FWIW, if we applied the 2008 election race-baiting tactics of the Dem party with any criticism of Obama was considered racist, I could easily apply that to your post to me. But I won't because it really isn't, it just makes you look like the ignorant, hypocrite, fool that you are.

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