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Old 08-15-2013, 09:46 PM  
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NC Republican party war against young voters

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It was only four days ago that North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) signed sweeping new voting restrictions into law (despite his own personal confusion over what the law says and does). But it'll probably be a little while until we start to see the practical effects, right?

Wrong. Voter-suppression efforts are off to a fast start in North Carolina (thanks to my colleague Tricia McKinney and Facebook commenter Sharon Doherty for the heads-up).

Within hours of Gov. Pat McCrory signing a Republican-backed bill this week making sweeping changes to the state's voting laws, local elections boards in two college towns made moves that could make it harder for students to vote.

The Watauga County Board of Elections voted Monday to eliminate an early voting site and election-day polling precinct on the campus of Appalachian State University.

The Pasquotank County Board of Elections on Tuesday barred an Elizabeth City State University senior from running for city council, ruling his on-campus address couldn't be used to establish local residency. Following the decision, the head of the county's Republican Party said he plans to challenge the voter registrations of more students at the historically black university ahead of upcoming elections.

Much of the criticism of the voting restrictions in North Carolina have focused on Republican efforts to suppress African-American and low-income voter participation, but efforts to target students -- who tend to be more progressive -- are a key provision of the new state law.

That Republicans are already hard at work at Elizabeth City State University checks two boxes on the GOP to-do list -- it targets students and African Americans since the school is a historically black college.

Remember, the use of student IDs for voting came up quite a bit during the legislative debate on the new voter-suppression law. State Sen. Tom Apodaca (R), the bill's chief sponsor, argued that college IDs "could be manipulated" and must therefore be excluded.

Did Apodaca have any evidence of anyone, anywhere ever using a manipulated student ID to commit voter fraud? No. Did Apodaca show that college IDs are more prone to manipulation than other forms of identification? No.

But the provision was included anyway. And now that it's part of the law, the GOP is already hard at work.

Correction: This post originally referenced possible tax penalties for parents whose kids registered to vote using their school addresses, but that was part of a separate measure that was not approved, and wasn't included in the voting restrictions signed this week. The incorrect sentence has been removed.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:04 PM   #31
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WAR AGAINST VOTERS.
This is a good opportunity to enlighten many of you on the WAR ON LITERACY going on in my town.

It seems the local library is REQUIRING a library card in order to check out books and such. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:05 PM   #32
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And FWIW, if we applied the 2008 election race-baiting tactics of the Dem party with any criticism of Obama was considered racist, I could easily apply that to your post to me. But I won't because it really isn't, it just makes you look like the ignorant, hypocrite, fool that you are.

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Old 08-16-2013, 01:11 PM   #33
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I've gotten to to point where I just can't stand what the dems/libs stand for concerning race or really most other things. You can also throw in the liberal repubs in there too.

It's been almost 50 years since civil rights have been passed but we still have race issues in this country. MLK had a dream that one day we would judge each other on the content of our characters. That dream will never come to pass as long as the dems/libs continue to exploit race for political gain.

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Old 08-16-2013, 01:13 PM   #34
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This is a good opportunity to enlighten many of you on the WAR ON LITERACY going on in my town.

It seems the local library is REQUIRING a library card in order to check out books and such. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?
Wow, that's disgraceful. How do they expect democrats to learn to read?
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:15 PM   #35
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I don't understand why this is such a big issue. Having an I.D SHOULD be a requirement to vote.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:20 PM   #36
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I have always believed that last years attempt to push voter id was part of the plan to suppress Democratic votes, heck they have even admitted as much.
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In December, Republican strategist Scott Tranter acknowledged that ďa lot of us are campaign professionals and we want to do everything we can to help our sides. Sometimes we think thatís voter ID, sometimes we think thatís longer lines, whatever it may be.Ē
The Romney campaignís Wisconsin co-chair, state Sen. Alberta Darling (R), also suggested that the Massachusetts governor would have won Wisconsin but for the fact that the stateís voter ID law was declared unconstitutional by a state court.
With that being said, the fair guy that I am I am willing to compromise. Since these laws are being passed 3 years in advance of the next national election I think that is plenty of time to get a valid ID. But they should also extend voting hours and days so you can vote weeks in advance. It is absolutely stupid to make anybody wait in line for hours to vote and all it does is defranchise people.

The best solution would be to have online voting as well polling places...
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:24 PM   #37
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I have always believed that last years attempt to push voter id was part of the plan to suppress Democratic votes, heck they have even admitted as much.


With that being said, the fair guy that I am I am willing to compromise. Since these laws are being passed 3 years in advance of the next national election I think that is plenty of time to get a valid ID. But they should also extend voting hours and days so you can vote weeks in advance. It is absolutely stupid to make anybody wait in line for hours to vote and all it does is defranchise people.

The best solution would be to have online voting as well polling places...
People should have a valid I.D regardless. I've had a damn I.D since i was 14. If you're an adult and still don't have an I.D, that says a LOT about your level of responsibility.

And I doubt voter I.D laws are going to do anything for republicans. Democrats not having I.D's is not what's causing that party to fail.
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I have always believed that last years attempt to push voter id was part of the plan to suppress Democratic votes, heck they have even admitted as much.


With that being said, the fair guy that I am I am willing to compromise. Since these laws are being passed 3 years in advance of the next national election I think that is plenty of time to get a valid ID. But they should also extend voting hours and days so you can vote weeks in advance. It is absolutely stupid to make anybody wait in line for hours to vote and all it does is defranchise people.

The best solution would be to have online voting as well polling places...
Online voting opens up a whole new avenue for massive fraud, does it not? Hell, CP could fix an election.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:26 PM   #39
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The best solution would be to have online voting as well polling places...
**** online voting. Double **** online voting. I barely trust the system with physical ballots, let alone something that can be hacked or otherwise manipulated in ways nobody would ever know about.
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That drone isn't worth your time.
Yeah, I hear you but he posts here day after day defending obama, thinking people here hate him because of race like some kind of race tolerance gladiator. But when it comes down to it and is faced by race that is not of his ideology, all tolerance is thrown out the window. I've faced the intolerance of these kind of people all my life when they discover I'm not on the page as they are. And I'm so glad I am not.

Like I said, as long as race benefits them politically, it's all sunshine and rainbows but when it doesn't they are some of the most rabid intolerant people you'll ever meet. Oh, and I'm not advocating special treatment like some minorities do. For equality to work, criticism of people, regardless of race , needs to be regarded just as much as praise, instead of race being used these days to further a political agenda.

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Yeah, I hear you but he posts here day after day defending obama, thinking people here hate him because of race like some kind of race tolerance gladiator. But when it comes down to it and is faced by race that is not of his ideology, all tolerance is thrown out the window. I've faced the intolerance of these kind of people all my life when they discover I'm not on the page as they are. And I'm so glad I am not.

Like I said, as long as race benefits them politically, it's all sunshine and rainbows but when it doesn't they are some of the most rabid intolerant people you'll ever meet. Oh, and I'm not advocating special treatment like some minorities do. For equality to work, criticism of people, regardless of race , needs to be regarded just as much as praise, instead of race being used these days to further a political agenda.

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**** online voting. Double **** online voting. I barely trust the system with physical ballots, let alone something that can be hacked or otherwise manipulated in ways nobody would ever know about.
But...but...we need to set up our ENTIRE society to cater to the lazy. Don't you agree that it's unfair to expect anyone to do anything?
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People should have a valid I.D regardless. I've had a damn I.D since i was 14. If you're an adult and still don't have an I.D, that says a LOT about your level of responsibility.

And I doubt voter I.D laws are going to do anything for republicans. Democrats not having I.D's is not what's causing that party to fail.
It depends on what is considered a valid ID. There is alot elderly\poor people that don't drive who's license might be expired and have no need for one.

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Online voting opens up a whole new avenue for massive fraud, does it not? Hell, CP could fix an election.
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**** online voting. Double **** online voting. I barely trust the system with physical ballots, let alone something that can be hacked or otherwise manipulated in ways nobody would ever know about.
Other countries already do online voting and several US towns do it as well. We just need to make sure it is extremely secure than I don't see the issue.

I do find it interesting most people probably bank, pay or buy things online so what is the worry about online voting?
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Other countries already do online voting and several US towns do it as well. We just need to make sure it is extremely secure than I don't see the issue.
You're far too trusting.

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It depends on what is considered a valid ID. There is alot elderly\poor people that don't drive who's license might be expired and have no need for one.





Other countries already do online voting and several US towns do it as well. We just need to make sure it is extremely secure than I don't see the issue.

I do find it interesting most people probably bank, pay or buy things online so what is the worry about online voting?
Online is ripe for fraud, especially if powerful interests want to do so.
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