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Old 08-15-2013, 09:46 PM  
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It was only four days ago that North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) signed sweeping new voting restrictions into law (despite his own personal confusion over what the law says and does). But it'll probably be a little while until we start to see the practical effects, right?

Wrong. Voter-suppression efforts are off to a fast start in North Carolina (thanks to my colleague Tricia McKinney and Facebook commenter Sharon Doherty for the heads-up).

Within hours of Gov. Pat McCrory signing a Republican-backed bill this week making sweeping changes to the state's voting laws, local elections boards in two college towns made moves that could make it harder for students to vote.

The Watauga County Board of Elections voted Monday to eliminate an early voting site and election-day polling precinct on the campus of Appalachian State University.

The Pasquotank County Board of Elections on Tuesday barred an Elizabeth City State University senior from running for city council, ruling his on-campus address couldn't be used to establish local residency. Following the decision, the head of the county's Republican Party said he plans to challenge the voter registrations of more students at the historically black university ahead of upcoming elections.

Much of the criticism of the voting restrictions in North Carolina have focused on Republican efforts to suppress African-American and low-income voter participation, but efforts to target students -- who tend to be more progressive -- are a key provision of the new state law.

That Republicans are already hard at work at Elizabeth City State University checks two boxes on the GOP to-do list -- it targets students and African Americans since the school is a historically black college.

Remember, the use of student IDs for voting came up quite a bit during the legislative debate on the new voter-suppression law. State Sen. Tom Apodaca (R), the bill's chief sponsor, argued that college IDs "could be manipulated" and must therefore be excluded.

Did Apodaca have any evidence of anyone, anywhere ever using a manipulated student ID to commit voter fraud? No. Did Apodaca show that college IDs are more prone to manipulation than other forms of identification? No.

But the provision was included anyway. And now that it's part of the law, the GOP is already hard at work.

Correction: This post originally referenced possible tax penalties for parents whose kids registered to vote using their school addresses, but that was part of a separate measure that was not approved, and wasn't included in the voting restrictions signed this week. The incorrect sentence has been removed.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:49 PM   #46
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It depends on what is considered a valid ID. There is alot elderly\poor people that don't drive who's license might be expired and have no need for one.

Poor or not has no bearing on whether or not you should have an I.D. Like I said, i was a freaking 14 year old homeless kid yet i had a valid state I.D.

We're not talking about a Driver's License, we're talking about an I.D. You need one to own anything that's worth something in this country. You need one to have a job, collect benefits, rent/own a home....drive a car....buy alcohol/ciggs get in the club....see a damn R Rated movie....

I mean really.....there is no excuse for you to NOT have one, and if you don't, then i assume you aren't doing anything that an adult is expected to be doing.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:51 PM   #47
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Other countries already do online voting and several US towns do it as well. We just need to make sure it is extremely secure than I don't see the issue.

I do find it interesting most people probably bank, pay or buy things online so what is the worry about online voting?
The USA is set up on a states system. The election process is 50 state elections, not 1 national version. I'd hate to see anyone Federalize the elections.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:52 PM   #48
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It depends on what is considered a valid ID. There is alot elderly\poor people that don't drive who's license might be expired and have no need for one.
This gives them a reason to keep one. Not having an ID now is no argument against requiring one in the future.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:56 PM   #49
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Online is ripe for fraud, especially if powerful interests want to do so.
Election fraud from elected officials happens already. I am not saying online voting is ready\secure now but I can bet in the next 10-20 years it will be.
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Election fraud from elected officials happens already. I am not saying online voting is ready\secure now but I can bet in the next 10-20 years it will be.
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Old 08-16-2013, 02:09 PM   #51
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Poor or not has no bearing on whether or not you should have an I.D. Like I said, i was a freaking 14 year old homeless kid yet i had a valid state I.D.

We're not talking about a Driver's License, we're talking about an I.D. You need one to own anything that's worth something in this country. You need one to have a job, collect benefits, rent/own a home....drive a car....buy alcohol/ciggs get in the club....see a damn R Rated movie....

I mean really.....there is no excuse for you to NOT have one, and if you don't, then i assume you aren't doing anything that an adult is expected to be doing.
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This gives them a reason to keep one. Not having an ID now is no argument against requiring one in the future.
Like I said it depends on what is considered a valid ID. SS Card? Credit Card? Insurance Card? State-Issued Card?

For example with this law in NC you have to provide - driver's license, passport, veteran's ID, or a tribal card. Most elderly\poor aren't going to have any of those. In fact according to the state's own stats close to 300,000 people don't.

Anyway my issue isn't so much with the ID law since they will have time to get one, it is the fact they are limiting voting hours\days which is trying to defranchise people from voting.
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Like I said it depends on what is considered a valid ID. SS Card? Credit Card? Insurance Card? State-Issued Card?

For example with this law in NC you have to provide - driver's license, passport, veteran's ID, or a tribal card. Most elderly\poor aren't going to have any of those. In fact according to the state's own stats close to 300,000 people don't.

Anyway my issue isn't so much with the ID law since they will have time to get one, it is the fact they are limiting voting hours\days which is trying to defranchise people from voting.
Do you understand that expanded early voting is a benefit to the incumbent?
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No one who is eligible to vote is being stopped from voting.

/vote integrity is objectionable to liberals
If I turn 18 the day of voting, I am legally able to vote. If I can't registering, then I am being disfranchised from voting.
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If I turn 18 the day of voting, I am legally able to vote. If I can't registering, then I am being disfranchised from voting.
That's not an issue.
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Voter fraud is not a problem in this country.

These laws are designed to disfranchise voters.

http://www.brennancenter.org/blog/de...ation-photo-id

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-The 2001 Carter-Ford Commission on Election Reform found that between 6-11 percent of voting-age citizens lack driver’s license or alternate state-issued photo ID.

-A 2007 Indiana survey found that roughly 13 percent of registered Indiana voters lack an Indiana driver’s license or an alternate Indiana-issued photo ID.

-In a 2009 study in Indiana, Professors Matt Barreto, Stephen Nuño, and Gabriel Sanchez found that election restrictions like voter ID laws have the greatest impact on the elderly, racial and ethnic minorities, immigrants, those with less educational attainment and lower incomes. The professors found that of the citizen adult population, 81.4% of all white eligible adults had access to a driver’s license, whereas only 55.2% of black eligible adults had the same access. Indeed, study after study has similarly concluded that burdens to voting have a large and disparate impact on individuals with fewer resources, less education, smaller social networks, and those who are institutionally isolated.

-The 2007 study, Voter ID Requirements and the Disenfranchisement of Latino, Black, and Asian Voters, based on exit polls from the 2006 elections in California, New Mexico, and Washington State, found that minority voters are less likely than whites to be able to present photo identification.
Many citizens who believe they have valid and sufficient photo IDs often do not. A national survey conducted after the November 2008 election found that 95% of respondents claimed to have a driver’s license, but 16% of those respondents lacked a license that was both current and valid. So of the of Americans who possess a photo ID, many lack proper identification that would enable to them to vote in elections under the new laws passed in Wisconsin, Kansas, Texas, South Carolina, and under legislation pending in many more states.
Additional studies and research findings on voter ID are collected here.
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That's not an issue.
If one person who is legally able to vote, isn't allowed to, then, yes it is an issue.

It is a bigger issue than the mythical voter fraud that never happens.
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Do you understand that expanded early voting is a benefit to the incumbent?
No. It. Isn't.

It is to make voting easier on the populaces schedule so things like this:

don't happen.

/we could just make voting day a national holiday
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If one person who is legally able to vote, isn't allowed to, then, yes it is an issue.

It is a bigger issue than the mythical voter fraud that never happens.
People aren't disallowed to vote for the reason you theorized. You can register before you're 18 in most places as long as you'll be 18 by the time of the election.
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No. It. Isn't.

It is to make voting easier on the populaces schedule so things like this:

don't happen.

/we could just make voting day a national holiday
It most certainly is. I'd gladly make voting day a national holiday if we could get rid of early voting all together.
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I have no problem with requiring an ID to vote, as long as the people are given at least two years before it is enforced (for plenty of time), and as long as it doesn't cost a single penny to get a state-issued ID (otherwise it's a camouflaged poll tax).

What makes me cry foul about movements like this is when they purposefully restrict access to voting places, or reduce the availability of registration and/or voting. It seems to me right now like Republicans are enacting most of those plans, in a series of efforts to restrict Democrat-heavy demographics from getting to the polls as easily.

It comes down to this: More people will vote if it is physically easier for them to get there. It's an ugly truth, but there it is; government by the least lazy.
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