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Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.

“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.

“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated.

“No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.

For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other.

“These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.

The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.

“Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.

“Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.”

“Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.
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Old 08-19-2013, 12:55 PM   #136
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I stopped reading here. If you're going to act like a liberal, why don't you just go vote like one? And quit wasting everyone's time.
if you're a rwnj who's over the top, way over the top like you, why don't you just go vote for a real nj like ted cruz?

or maybe jerry would be more in line with your thinking, using the term generously...
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if you're a rwnj who's over the top, way over the top like you, why don't you just go vote for a real nj like ted cruz?

or maybe jerry would be more in line with your thinking, using the term generously...
I could vote for Ted Cruz, so I think you need to find an even nutier nutjob to explore Prison Bitch's limits. If Fred Phelps would run, Prison Bitch might even change parties.
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I didn't say you gave up on gay marriage at all. I said that you gave up on the gay agenda as a political issue. Once you crossed over to supporting gay marriage (or even if you always did support it), you went over to the Left and supported all the treasure-trove of political goodies coming their way.

Like the girl who gets hot & heavy in the car and at the last minute yells out "Stop! You're going to far now"
What ****ing goodies? joint income tax filing? estate planning? medical care visitation?

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What ****ing goodies? joint income tax filing? estate planning? medical care visitation?

Wow!!
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You're not the brightest, I see.
I understand that you don't respond to a direct question with a non sequitur

What specific goodies will allowing gay civil unions or marriage entitle them too, and why is that bad.

Generalities and vague insults say more about your intelligence than I think might be able to realized.
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I guess I hurt your feelings, Prison Bitch? Good. You're an embarrassment to conservatism and a poster boy for why it's bad to combine a small mind with a big mouth.
I think we all can agree on this, regardless of political affiliation....
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I understand that you don't respond to a direct question with a non sequitur

What specific goodies will allowing gay civil unions or marriage entitle them too, and why is that bad..

I already pointed them out, but what do you mean "Why is that bad"? Explain why you don't think certain groups getting different treatment is bad. I'd really like to know the answer to that one.
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According to 2012 election exit polls, 5% of voters were gay. In California where you'd think the portion would be much higher, it basically wasn't: only 6%. The gay numbers in the exits seemed to be fairly evenly distributed.
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I know you don't really believe gays in America are often beat up, let alone killed. I know you were using hyperbole.
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Doubtful. Gallup reports that 3.4% of Americans are gay:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/158066/sp...tify-lgbt.aspx
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Hilarious logic.
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What exactly is "my agenda"? I'd be curious to know.


Yes, your logic is hilarious and foolish. A nation of perhaps 15 million gays and only 1,572 are attacked per year? That's 1 in 9,541. The overall US rate for aggravated assault is far greater at 1 in 414:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...tables/table-1
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They're probably born that way but this argument doesn't matter. The real issue is how the Democrats are trying to create yet another "victim group" to add to their voting rolls. And if society is going to allow this new victim group to be granted special (un-constitutional) benefits i.e. affirmative action, quotas, etc etc.


That's really the issue. And we all know what the Democrats want to do.
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The proper course of action, IMO, is to ignore them completely. I don't really give a shit what they do or what they think. But to your point about the political ramifications of their burgeoning "equality" - too late. Doesn't matter anymore, folks like you gave up on the issue so you could get along with Democrats. Never fully realizing what their end game was. (Same with Frazod)

So now that they've won, expect the full boatload of political gimmes that are coming down the pike. But when they do, don't blame me. Blame yoruself and Frazod.
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I didn't say you gave up on gay marriage at all. I said that you gave up on the gay agenda as a political issue. Once you crossed over to supporting gay marriage (or even if you always did support it), you went over to the Left and supported all the treasure-trove of political goodies coming their way.

Like the girl who gets hot & heavy in the car and at the last minute yells out "Stop! You're going to far now"
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I already pointed them out, but what do you mean "Why is that bad"? Explain why you don't think certain groups getting different treatment is bad. I'd really like to know the answer to that one.
Liar.

This is every reply of yours in the thread. Bolded is every possible thing that could be interpreted as a specific.

Explain specifically how gay marriage leads to quotas or AA, and explain what 'boatload,' 'treasure trove,' 'etc.,' and 'etc' mean specifically.

Do you understand what specific means?
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Liar.

This is every reply of yours in the thread. Bolded is every possible thing that could be interpreted as a specific.

Explain specifically how gay marriage leads to quotas or AA, and explain what 'boatload,' 'treasure trove,' 'etc.,' and 'etc' mean specifically.

Do you understand what specific means?
I clearly said affirmative action and quotas, you dumb ass.
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I clearly said affirmative action and quotas, you dumb ass.
Speaking of dumb ass, how does my support of same sex marriage translate into support for affirmative action and quotas?
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I clearly said affirmative action and quotas, you dumb ass.
Are you serious? What nexus can you possibly envision between AA, quotas and marriage. Marriage is a covenant of fidelity between individuals voluntarily entered. Has nothing to do with employment or education provided by outside independent entities. They are ENTIRELY different battles.

What next? We let them marry and next they'll pressing for the right to murder with impugnity?
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Are you serious? What nexus can you possibly envision between AA, quotas and marriage. Marriage is a covenant of fidelity between individuals voluntarily entered. Has nothing to do with employment or education provided by outside independent entities. They are ENTIRELY different battles.

What next? We let them marry and next they'll pressing for the right to murder with impugnity?
I hesitate to attempt to fathom the inner workings of the Prison Bitch mind, but my guess is that he equates support for same sex marriage with support for full suspect class treatment under the equal protection clause. He then equates this with the treatment racial minorities were afforded by Nixon's EEOC and various court rulings advancing affirmative action and quotas.

Of course, there's really no direct connection between same sex marriage and these things, particularly if same sex marriage is merely a legislative choice rather than an equal protection requirement (which I've more than made clear is and always has been my position).
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